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Whats a 1984 Case ingersoll 448 worth.
No engine, but complete with Goodyear ag tires and in decent shape from what I have seen.
Does not come with any attachments.
Was working when engine blew, was told.
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My humble opinion agrees with your humble opinion, Michiganfan.


A 448 with no engine under the hood is nothing more than a parts tractor. If the Seller want's more than $200.00, then he should dismantle the tractor himself and sell off each part. That gets old very fast unless you go on e-bay. But then... you have all the shipping issues to deal with plus the e-bay costs to pay.
 

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Bret446 said:
Well if the guy asks 400 for it, its not a good price? Knowingly, the goodyears are worth 200 alone?
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Look at the big picture - the most expensive part of the machine isn't there. Without it, you have no way of knowing if the rest of the drivetrain is any good - you'll be buying the entire hydraulic system blind. If everything you can tell the condition of by looking at is in good shape and well maintained, maybe it's good. But maybe not. This could be a cherry machine that ran low on oil once. Or it could be a neglected and abused one.
If you're looking for a winter project to play with, it might be worth the expense - and risk - just for the fun of it. If you need something to clear the next snowfall you're drawing to an inside straight.
Of course you are going to talk him down, right? :wink:
 

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The Goodyears on the rims are worth $200.00 all by themselves. So what? If he sells those off, then he's left with a tractor that has the back end sitting on the ground. Then what? Does he continue to part it out piece by piece or try to sell a tractor that not only doesn't have an engine but no back tires and rims? Only another Case junkie would be interested in the remainder and the more he sells off, the less anyone will pay him for the remainder.

What you are doing is trying to justify his asking price of $400.00 by focusing on the value of the rear tires. He's not selling the rear tires here. He's selling the entire tractor that no longer has an engine which is the most expensive part. He doesn't want to invest in a new engine, does he? He apparently hasn't even told you what happened to the engine that WAS in the tractor. As I said before, he's not selling a "tractor" because a "tractor" is something that is complete and also RUNNING. This is just a pile of parts that has not been dismantled. It takes time to dismantle it and turn it into individual parts. It takes time to sell those parts. Time is money. Don't reward him for passing off a task that he does not want to do.

Offer him the $200.00 and then haggle like there's no tomorrow to see if the two of you can find a number both of you will be happy with but don't..............give up too easily. Your ace in the hole is that an engine will cost you at least $1500.00 and an engine is needed to make that pile of parts into a tractor once again.
 

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Thanks for all your thoughts. I have a rebuilt B48 that Boomer and I completed. I am looking for a 448 and this is the only one that has been offered. He originally wanted 300 for it but also had a Teledyne? engine that he was gonna put in it, as he bought it for putting in this tractor. He never got around to it and saw my want ad. So he said he will sell it as a package for 600. I didnt want the engine, so I later offered 400 to make him budge on the tractor, and he said he would just sell the tractor for that. So, I am just basing this all on , a 448 is hard to find, and heres on.
So thats where I am at.
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Bret446 said:
I am looking for a 448 and this is the only one that has been offered... He...saw my want ad... So, I am just basing this all on , a 448 is hard to find, and heres on.
So YOU'RE the guy who's been posting the wanted ads on every CL in MN, WI and IA? I've seen your ads and thought to myself "Wow, this guy REALLY wants a 448!" :sidelaugh: I think you have been given good advice regarding pricing, but only you can decide what you are comfortable paying. You have already thrown out a price to this seller, so the odds of you cutting it in half are pretty slim, IMO. If you have to have a tractor NOW, then you are putting limits on your bargaining power. As soon as you make a deal on this tractor and invest a bunch of time and money into it, you'll find one in better condition for less money and kick yourself for being impatient.
 

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Bret446 said:
Thanks for all your thoughts. I have a rebuilt B48 that Boomer and I completed. I am looking for a 448 and this is the only one that has been offered. He originally wanted 300 for it but also had a Teledyne? engine that he was gonna put in it, as he bought it for putting in this tractor. He never got around to it and saw my want ad. So he said he will sell it as a package for 600. I didnt want the engine, so I later offered 400 to make him budge on the tractor, and he said he would just sell the tractor for that. So, I am just basing this all on , a 448 is hard to find, and heres on.
So thats where I am at.
Thank you,
Bret
This is similar to closing the barn doors after the horses have all run off. :sidelaugh:

At this point, it doesn't really matter what the rest of us think. You have made an offer of $400.00 and he has accepted it. The deal has been struck. Secondly, you already have an engine that is ready to install into it so there is no "unknown cost" involved with that. If you are happy with the tractor you see and intend to keep this tractor for a long time, then a couple hundred bucks isn't going to matter all that much in the overall scheme of things. That said, here is where you need to be cautious. The engine may be gone but.... where's the PTO clutch and fan? Is the pump mount there? And what about the LoveJoy? Are the choke and throttle cables OK or were they cut? How about the wiring and fuel line?

There are two ways to remove an engine from a tractor. The right way and the wrong way. It's the wrong way that you need to concern yourself with because if this was a hack job, then you can expect to pay $200.00 plus in the way of new parts to undo the butchery. Yes.....you did strike a deal but that deal was predicated on you having to supply JUST the missing engine. If it turns out that you have to supply MORE than just the engine, then that's your leverage to get the price dropped down. :thumbsup:
 

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Ha, yes I know and hear all of this.
Its one of those things where you have the "time" at the moment and would like to get something rolling, and as stated that was he only one offered of the longer frame, plus 448, and having Ag tires. I did just get a similar offer today for a one but it has a blower and deck and is running, and obviously having to pay for it. So that defeats my purpose of my engine.
I hear the patience part and leaning to maybe doing that, but I guess it may be worth the time to look at the 84 to see, as I may have to spend the same in another one at a cheaper price, versus this one being possibly ready to go.
Thanks for all your opinions, always good to hear thoughts.

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If you did not have an engine or even if you had one that was in need of a rebuild it would cost at least $1500 for a proper rebuild so getting the tractor as cheap as possible would be the only way to make it worth while.
It sounds like you may have it figured out though. Good luck!
 

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Bret446 said:
I did just get a similar offer today for a one but it has a blower and deck and is running, and obviously having to pay for it. So that defeats my purpose of my engine.
I hear the patience part and leaning to maybe doing that, but I guess it may be worth the time to look at the 84 to see, as I may have to spend the same in another one at a cheaper price, versus this one being possibly ready to go.
Get the one with the snowblower and running engine for $400. Boomer will give you $400 for the engine then you'll have a free tractor.
 
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