Whos to say that he would make any money on it selling it? We dont know what he paid for it
4120 part out
It sickens me to see Joe part out a 4120 tractor when I am in the market for one. Does anyone know where he gets all these tractors from and why he doesnt try to sell them complete and make a few bucks on it. I wish I would have known he had it. I would have tried to offer him a reasonable price for the whole thing. Now a decent 4120 is in 1000 pieces. :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:
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I had a similar question a few months ago and sent Joe a note. He told me that in many cases, he does make more from parting out tractors then from trying to sell them "whole."
Regrettable at times but true.
Regrettable at times but true.
Regretable but true. Worth more in parts, for sure.
Just a quick reminder for any members who may be on the hunt for a travel control valve with built in holding valve ... even if Joe's are priced right up there ...
The TCVs and PTO valves out of AH (4120) tractors DO NOT have relief circuits in them. Those parts are not suitable for most mainstream Ingersolls. You would definitely need an aux relief valve (as the AH's had) to use those valves.
Brian
Just a quick reminder for any members who may be on the hunt for a travel control valve with built in holding valve ... even if Joe's are priced right up there ...
The TCVs and PTO valves out of AH (4120) tractors DO NOT have relief circuits in them. Those parts are not suitable for most mainstream Ingersolls. You would definitely need an aux relief valve (as the AH's had) to use those valves.
Brian
:goodpost: It is a very unfortunate fact of business, I don't blame Joe at all...he has to make money in this economy too.I have 2 tractors that I should part out to help pay for my other projects, but part of me thinks that is just wrong.There will be a point when they will have all disappeared...I would rather resurrect as many as possible and get them to a good home. :gums:
G
This seems to be a sad reality for many collectable machines. I'm a member to the Two Cylinder Club. In the back of every issue of their publication, there are several places parting out vintage Deere tractors. Several say they have several hundred at any given time. While I'm sure that many may be beyond economical restoration, I'm sure others would be prime candidates for restoration. Eventually the supply will give out and there won't be anything left to restore. That will be a sad day for sure. 
So Brad what's a price range your looking at on a 400 or 4000 series tractor?
from FREE to $2,000. Obviously the condition of the tractor will dicate what I am willing to spend. Id like to to have a 446 or 448 in the mid 80s years so that I can use my existing attachments from my 224.
brad
in my opinion you want a 80 to early 83 400 series.
i do not like the bulge hoods or the BACKWARDS engines. (4000 series)
thank you. boomer (the used onan engine parts guy)
in my opinion you want a 80 to early 83 400 series.
i do not like the bulge hoods or the BACKWARDS engines. (4000 series)
thank you. boomer (the used onan engine parts guy)
I personally like the bigger bulge style hoods. If I get a 4000 series machine then I have to either sell my snowcaster or get the conversion kit. Id rather just just get a 400 series tractor with a holding valve and a long wheel base. my 77 has neither but it does have one hell of a good running Onan P 218 engine. I have also thought about using my 77 as a parts tractor and make my own LWB 400 series machine. I would need to buy to frame and holding valve with all the correct lines. My local Case dealer has a 1988 400 series frame that I can buy but it has the newer plastic dash which is going to cost me a few dollars for parts for it. The throttle and choke cable in the 77 will not work on it and I will need to make a completely new wiring harness and buy new switches and shit to make it right.boomers_influence said:brad
in my opinion you want a 80 to early 83 400 series.
i do not like the bulge hoods or the BACKWARDS engines. (4000 series)
thank you. boomer (the used onan engine parts guy)
Im just trying to weigh out my options here and to be honest, its making me tired and the snow will be here before I know it.
Truth is that parting out a certain number of these machines keeps the price reasonable (cheap) for them. Not all of these machines are collectable (restorable) and not all these machines would ever be collected (restored). If no machines were parted out then the price of a running one would skyrocket.
Plus, what good does it do for someone to own a whole bunch of them, never restore them, never use them, etc? Well, when the vast majority of machines are parted out then someone would be able to ask whatever they want for them.
Plus, what good does it do for someone to own a whole bunch of them, never restore them, never use them, etc? Well, when the vast majority of machines are parted out then someone would be able to ask whatever they want for them.
To me, parting out a tractor of that model is only done for one reason and its to make money. It still sickens me to see stuff like that get parted out just for a profit but I know it happens all the time. I just dont like it and I never will be comfortable with it. A 4120 couldnt be in that bad of shape for someone to either give up on it or just let it go cheap for Joe to pick up. All that tractor needed was a few dollars and some TLC and it could have lived on for another 30 years.
If he can make money, pay bills and feed his family by parting that tractor out good for him
It was nothing special. There is more to go around. This one didnt even look in good shape
It was nothing special. There is more to go around. This one didnt even look in good shape
Listen, I know it wasnt some gem but I personally just hate seeing it. I hate seeing it with old muscle cars just as much as I hate seeing it with these tractors. I know its the nature of the beast sometimes but maybe it just hurts me a bit more because I am looking for one and then I see that one that sold off for parts. All well, I will keep looking for something complete around my neck of the woods.
So in less than six days Joe has sold $1200 worth of parts through buy it nows and there's another $400 worth of bids that end tomorrow that will probably go up another few hundred bucks before then. That's not including the largest most expensive pieces that don't have bids yet.
If this tractor was on the classifieds for $2000 it would have been crucified.
You may not like parting out tractors but do the math and if Joe can get double or better than what you'd think it's worth whole who's the brilliant one?
It doesn't seem like he's collecting anything but money. And he's pretty good at it.
If this tractor was on the classifieds for $2000 it would have been crucified.
You may not like parting out tractors but do the math and if Joe can get double or better than what you'd think it's worth whole who's the brilliant one?
It doesn't seem like he's collecting anything but money. And he's pretty good at it.
Well then I guess I am the only stupid one here that thinks its wrong to part out one of these machines in the condition that 4120 was in. I guess you're not brilliant enough to see the point I was trying to make. Just because Joe can make double or even more of his money back by parting out these tractors doesnt make it right. There are some tractors, based on overall condition, that dont fall into the "part out" category and that 4120 was one of them. Its a damn shame thats all I'm saying.cp7 said:So in less than six days Joe has sold $1200 worth of parts through buy it nows and there's another $400 worth of bids that end tomorrow that will probably go up another few hundred bucks before then. That's not including the largest most expensive pieces that don't have bids yet.
If this tractor was on the classifieds for $2000 it would have been crucified.
You may not like parting out tractors but do the math and if Joe can get double or better than what you'd think it's worth whole who's the brilliant one?
It doesn't seem like he's collecting anything but money. And he's pretty good at it.
No I agree with you I would rather have seen someone fix it.
But what is a tractor in that shape with a bad motor worth? He didnt list the rotating assembly
But what is a tractor in that shape with a bad motor worth? He didnt list the rotating assembly
Whoa Brad, no one called you stupid. If I came across that way I'm sorry and it wasn't my intention. And I believe your in the majority on this parting out issue. I do see your point and just because I don't agree with it there's no reason for you to attempt to judge my intelligence.
I've been in the salvage business for 30 years and Joe is in the business of parting out tractors and is doing well at it, It was already said here that we don't know what he pays for these machines but it is a given that he will get more than you would be willing to pay for it whole. What I don't understand is how you can say it's wrong of him to do so.
Off of one little picture of the tractor in question how can you tell what overall condition it is in? You said that your top price was $2000 based on condition and this one did not look to be in top condition to me. You know I'm right about how it would be judged in the classifieds if it was put on there with a ripped up seat and pieces and parts setting in the seat. I'm basically saying it's a garden tractor and they're still making them today. If you feel that it is so precious pay the price and save it or get over it.
And don't get me wrong I'm not mad at anyone, I've just heard this same song and dance for years.
I've been in the salvage business for 30 years and Joe is in the business of parting out tractors and is doing well at it, It was already said here that we don't know what he pays for these machines but it is a given that he will get more than you would be willing to pay for it whole. What I don't understand is how you can say it's wrong of him to do so.
Off of one little picture of the tractor in question how can you tell what overall condition it is in? You said that your top price was $2000 based on condition and this one did not look to be in top condition to me. You know I'm right about how it would be judged in the classifieds if it was put on there with a ripped up seat and pieces and parts setting in the seat. I'm basically saying it's a garden tractor and they're still making them today. If you feel that it is so precious pay the price and save it or get over it.
And don't get me wrong I'm not mad at anyone, I've just heard this same song and dance for years.
Nevermind, I see the rest of the engine further down
I agree that anything that anyone 'collects' is a shame. But the truth of the matter is that if no one parted out a single tractor than pretty much very very very few would be together, running, or 'showable'. Parting it out doesnt bother me all that much but sending it to 'crusher' sure would.
It also bothers me is when someone lets something rot rather than sell it to someone who'd fix it up and appreciate it.
I dont know where this guy picks these machines up from. Maybe he a truck driver that can get them all over the place and bring them home? Maybe he picks them up locally? But what I do know is that there arent a lot of people who are going to drive four states over to pick up an ENTIRE old tractor just to get one or two parts off of it. So by not parting them out the value of all of the incomplete ones drops considerably, the value of the complete ones increases considerably, people with a lot of money to burn get them all, and then the 'average joe' has to look for something else thats cheap to 'play' with.
It also bothers me is when someone lets something rot rather than sell it to someone who'd fix it up and appreciate it.
I dont know where this guy picks these machines up from. Maybe he a truck driver that can get them all over the place and bring them home? Maybe he picks them up locally? But what I do know is that there arent a lot of people who are going to drive four states over to pick up an ENTIRE old tractor just to get one or two parts off of it. So by not parting them out the value of all of the incomplete ones drops considerably, the value of the complete ones increases considerably, people with a lot of money to burn get them all, and then the 'average joe' has to look for something else thats cheap to 'play' with.
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