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http://maine.craigslist.org/grd/2256197114.html Great looking restore!
446 w/loader in Corrina,Maine
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It looks nice but for that money I'd rather have a 600 series. With that you get the weaker front hubs and no power steering which really sucks when you're using a loader.
This guy always has a bunch of Case stuff for sale at top dollar that he "restores". I'm pretty sure he's disabled and fixes them up as a hobby if it's the same guy I'm thinking of.
This guy always has a bunch of Case stuff for sale at top dollar that he "restores". I'm pretty sure he's disabled and fixes them up as a hobby if it's the same guy I'm thinking of.
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The ad states this is a new, manufactured loader. A new Kwik-Way is what, $3K?
The 3 point is worth $400
So what you're left with is a nice 446 with a brand new engine for $100. :grin:
The 3 point is worth $400
So what you're left with is a nice 446 with a brand new engine for $100. :grin:
All of us are well into the world of wild speculation with this offering.
I don't know the back-story as to what compelled this Seller to create what he did but I believe he made a huge mistake if he built this just to sell it. This is something that you build for yourself. Once it's finished you keep it and you use it a lot for the next ten years. That's how you profit by what you did. You repay yourself from the joy of having it at your beck and call 24/7 plus not having to go rent something and float it back and forth.
As mentioned, I too would rather have a decent 648 for $3500.00. It would have a stronger 3 point, a much stronger loader, power steering and a foot pedal to control travel speed. And when I was done with it, that 600 series will bring far more than the 446 will.
If he gets lucky.....real lucky.... he will find a buyer but on the other hand... he could end up taking a bath on this one.
I don't know the back-story as to what compelled this Seller to create what he did but I believe he made a huge mistake if he built this just to sell it. This is something that you build for yourself. Once it's finished you keep it and you use it a lot for the next ten years. That's how you profit by what you did. You repay yourself from the joy of having it at your beck and call 24/7 plus not having to go rent something and float it back and forth.
As mentioned, I too would rather have a decent 648 for $3500.00. It would have a stronger 3 point, a much stronger loader, power steering and a foot pedal to control travel speed. And when I was done with it, that 600 series will bring far more than the 446 will.
If he gets lucky.....real lucky.... he will find a buyer but on the other hand... he could end up taking a bath on this one.
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He doesn't care if it takes him a year to sell it. He's almost always got something on craigslist at any given time that he has put a lot of money/time into. It's a hobby for him.
Gregg (nutcase446) knows who he is I believe.
Gregg (nutcase446) knows who he is I believe.
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Then ... I'd have to be fixing what I broke because I'd be using that machine if it didn't sell.
After I fabed up a foot pedal. I really like my 646 better than the 400's and one reason is because of the foot pedal. That left handed travel is driving me nuts.
Tom you say the 600 is a stronger three point can I ask how that is? I know the top link mount is different but are the lift arms stronger?
After I fabed up a foot pedal. I really like my 646 better than the 400's and one reason is because of the foot pedal. That left handed travel is driving me nuts.
Tom you say the 600 is a stronger three point can I ask how that is? I know the top link mount is different but are the lift arms stronger?
If you have a question about anything, I'd certainly expect it to be asked.
Lift arms are the same.
A 400 series tractor in basic form weighs in at 800 pounds. Not only does a 600 loader weigh substantially more but much of that extra weight is sitting out front of the steering axle and acts as a counterweight. That fact allows the engineers to boost the relief setting from 575 PSI (400's) to 1000 PSI on the 600's. That's almost double the hydraulic pressure. Granted, that 400 has a loader on it too which would allow someone to raise the relief setting above the 575 PSI but not to the same extent as the 600.
But let me clarify that even further. If someone DID jack the pressure on that 400 to 1000 psi, that would technically make the two hitches equal in lifting power but puzzle me this Batman... if the 400 hitch attempted to pick up an implement that the 600 had just carried across the field with ease but the front wheels of the 400 came off the ground and the implement stayed on the ground......which tractor has the stronger hitch?
Could you put counterweights on the front of the 400 to try and level the playing field? Sure.
But once you drop off that heavy implement and the hitch is empty, the front axle and steering gear now has to cope with all that counterweight you added when you use the front-end loader. This is why the 600 is such a superior machine. It was purpose-built by the engineers that designed the mighty 580 loader/backhoe at Racine to BE a FEL. The 400 was designed to be a garden tractor. The 648 will easily pick up a 600 plus pound load to full height with safety. That 400 with the aftermarket loader will pick up 350 to 400 pounds and the Operator will struggle with trying to steer it due to the undersized steering components.
As for the left-handed travel, that's just a matter of familiarity. Those who have owned and use a 200/400 for many years would struggle a bit with your loader and the foot pedal. You said that the first thing you would do to that 400 loader if it was yours, would be to put a foot pedal on it. That's because you want to make it the same as what you are now used to. :thumbsup:
That way, you don't have to "think" about it while operating it. The procedure is second nature.
Lift arms are the same.
A 400 series tractor in basic form weighs in at 800 pounds. Not only does a 600 loader weigh substantially more but much of that extra weight is sitting out front of the steering axle and acts as a counterweight. That fact allows the engineers to boost the relief setting from 575 PSI (400's) to 1000 PSI on the 600's. That's almost double the hydraulic pressure. Granted, that 400 has a loader on it too which would allow someone to raise the relief setting above the 575 PSI but not to the same extent as the 600.
But let me clarify that even further. If someone DID jack the pressure on that 400 to 1000 psi, that would technically make the two hitches equal in lifting power but puzzle me this Batman... if the 400 hitch attempted to pick up an implement that the 600 had just carried across the field with ease but the front wheels of the 400 came off the ground and the implement stayed on the ground......which tractor has the stronger hitch?
Could you put counterweights on the front of the 400 to try and level the playing field? Sure.
But once you drop off that heavy implement and the hitch is empty, the front axle and steering gear now has to cope with all that counterweight you added when you use the front-end loader. This is why the 600 is such a superior machine. It was purpose-built by the engineers that designed the mighty 580 loader/backhoe at Racine to BE a FEL. The 400 was designed to be a garden tractor. The 648 will easily pick up a 600 plus pound load to full height with safety. That 400 with the aftermarket loader will pick up 350 to 400 pounds and the Operator will struggle with trying to steer it due to the undersized steering components.
As for the left-handed travel, that's just a matter of familiarity. Those who have owned and use a 200/400 for many years would struggle a bit with your loader and the foot pedal. You said that the first thing you would do to that 400 loader if it was yours, would be to put a foot pedal on it. That's because you want to make it the same as what you are now used to. :thumbsup:
That way, you don't have to "think" about it while operating it. The procedure is second nature.
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It certainly is. But as stated I think the "true" loader wins all around. I could even use a foot pedal on my 400 series when doing some serious snow pushing. I wish Ingersoll would have come out with that compact utility tractor that is in the 4000 series style. It's in their brochure. I guess we'll never see it. :222: :446: Best Regards, Richmjodrey said:
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He must be talking about eatmans 4 year old brochure. :sidelaugh:
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Tom: I don't know how current it is. Mad Mackie gave these to us at the Gathering last year. All it has is a picture of a 4000 series with loader. It says under the picture; "Loader 450 lb. capacity". Do you want me to get it scanned and E mail to you? :222: :446: Best Regards, RichHydriv said:
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Tom: It'll be tonight, sorry. You're not going to send me to the chicken coop to clean manure as punishmentHydriv said:
will you?
:sidelaugh: :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh: :222: :446: Best Regards, Rich
Sorry..... not good enough. You now have to spend next weekend at Jack's farm shoveling semi-frozen sheep and Llama dung into sacks for Jack to sell to passerby's for their garden. That's how he funds his tractor sickness.
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OK OK That's sounds like scary dung! :shock: :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh:InTroubleAlltheTime said:
I scanned it and sent if off, if it didn't come through please let me know. :trink: :trink: :trink:
:222: :446: Best Regards, Rich
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