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646 Power Steering Conversion

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After combing though a bunch of discussions on this subject, I thought I'd share my conversion and things I've learned along the way. The way I did required a lot of custom fab work so it probably won't be for most people but maybe someone will find some use in it. If anyone has any questions I'll do my best to answer them!

The steering valve is a Danfoss OSPM 100 PB I got from ebay, this one is from a John Deere 7700A (JD# TCA17008). The PB models have a power beyond port which I just tee'd into the return line right below the unit. If you find an ON unit instead of a PB you can avoid having to do that, they are identical minus the 5th port. The 100 is the displacement and has worked out to a good match. An 80 would take more turns, a 50 would be too small for the ram I used. The body diameter is small enough that it fits in dash without moving the levers when moved forward about 3/8" from the original location. It's mounted from the bottom of the dash with a 1" spacer which leaves it a little higher than the stock wheel which I think makes a better location overall.

The priority valve is a Buyers Products HFD075, again, cheap from ebay. I put it in between the travel valve and the loader valve so it isn't robbing flow from the travel motor which needs all the help it can get. It's physically quite large but it's pretty much the smallest I could find without spending a fortune. The original line was just cut and flared and left in is normal place. Bending up the tube to go from the priority valve to the loader valve was a real pain because it barely fits but the rest of the lines were pretty straight forward.

The ram I had left over from an old commercial tire change machine I dismantled. It's 2-1/8" bore and 1" rod. I shortened it to about 3.5" stroke and added spherical bearings to both ends as well as custom ports. I've seen lots of talk about using 648 parts but one of the things I haven't seen mentioned was that the B48M motor mounts are way higher than the CCKA. This means that there is very little room for the ram. To get it to fit I cut had to cut a part of the frame out at the lower, back end of the cylinder. Even still at various points in the steering/axle articulation it just barely rubs on the front motor mount bolt, the frame rail at the front motor mount, and the steering main arm. This is also the reason for the hydraulic ports. I probably could have just pulled through hoses but they would have rubbed on a ton of stuff and I didn't want that.

Anyways, some pictures!

The original cylinder

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Bored out for a spherical bearing

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Threading the cylinder rod

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Shortened ram

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Welded up with the new ports

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My JIC flare tool (punch not pictured)

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Cad model of the short tube. It helped a little but I still made it wrong the first time haha

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Home made tube bender

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The original loader valve feed line

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Priority valve installed with the short tube. The tube at the rear is pressure to the steering valve

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Steering valve installed in the dash

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Ram installed in the frame

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And a video of it working! Probably the best upgrade I've made, it makes it so much more pleasant to run

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Looks like an excellent job you did there! Not an easy task, but sure looks good!
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Very nicely done! Kudos to you. Well thought-out approach, and very professional workmanship!

Bob
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It was not only a professional job but an excellent documentation job. Very accurate explanation with pics and video. I commend you on all your work. ✌. Harry
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Nice job on the tube bending & flaring. You could make replacement tubes for our tractors as a side hustle, seeing as how hard some are to find.
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REALLY nice work. I would Love to see how you combined all of the drains back together... Also where were did you source the steel hydraulic line?

And I agree that front engine mount point on the 646 gets in the way for sure. My setup is soo tight I have a turned down carriage bolt head on the bottom side and the nut is on the top. My engine kind of floats in the hope I don't break off the feet on the oil pan.. again..
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Wow.. I can tell you like to do things the hard way :ROFLMAO: but what you came out of it with looks fantastic. I think there's a big overlap between being very particular about what you want, and ending up with the skills to do it your dang self because noone else will care enough to get it 'just so', exactly like you dreamed it up. I have welded on a cylinder but sure never shortened one yet, and i haven't 3d modeled a small tube so i can't say im there yet, but i definitely relate to the level of demanding things from your own projects that leads you down the rabbit hole to eventual '100% custom' bliss. Nice work, thanks for posting it up!!
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Always refreshing to see a job done right that would pass for factory! [Bigass thumb up here!]
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Late replies, busy driving tractors, you know how it is :D

Thanks for all the positive comments! I'm glad others like it. After running it for a month, everything is working great. I was concerned the 100cc steering valve would be fast and cause the steering to feel twitchy but it's actually perfect. Any smaller would be a lot of cranking going from lock to lock. The loader is a little slower with the priority valve stealing some flow but it's not bad. I have a slightly larger pump than the factory one in it anyways so it's probably running the way a stock one would anyways, I just got used to the speeeed.

I did also underestimate the amount of play in the front axle when I measured everything up. I think I originally said I made the ram 3.5" stroke, but it's closer to 3.25/3.38" somewhere in there. Probably should have made it 3.63". Anyways, I cut about 1/2" out of the steering arm at the axle to get a little more throw and now I have about 95% steering travel so I'm happy with that. It's actually has more steering angle now that it ever did with super sloppy manual steering.

Nice job on the tube bending & flaring. You could make replacement tubes for our tractors as a side hustle, seeing as how hard some are to find.
Absolutely not :ROFLMAO: What a pain those things are to make, you couldn't pay me enough

There are companies around that will bend them up if you bring in a sample. Talk to your local hydraulic supplier if they don't do it they can probably point you in the right direction


REALLY nice work. I would Love to see how you combined all of the drains back together... Also where were did you source the steel hydraulic line?

And I agree that front engine mount point on the 646 gets in the way for sure. My setup is soo tight I have a turned down carriage bolt head on the bottom side and the nut is on the top. My engine kind of floats in the hope I don't break off the feet on the oil pan.. again..

The drain to the machine is tee'd into the return line between the TCV and the loader valve. I just drilled a hole and tig welded a small piece of tube to it with a ORFS end. You can see the hydraulic hose in the bottom right of the video at about 23 seconds in, that is the return. The power beyond and the tank connections at the steering valve are the same thing, hydraulic tubing bent and tig welded together just above where the hose connects. All the tubes & fittings came from New-line hose & fitting (Canadian). Their catalog has pretty much every hydraulic fitting you could ever want.

I got away with a standard bolt in the front engine mount, no room for a washer though. I definitely considered a carriage bolt but I just got by without. My engine also had the right rear foot broken off of it before I got it and it had been tig welded back on. Didn't want that to happen again so now there's a 3/16" plate underneath the motor, 1/4" rubber washers between the plate and the frame, and 1/2" rubber washers between the bolt head and the bottom of the frame. Well, on 3 of the 4 mounts now that the cylinder is the way. Hopefully that's still enough!
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I did also underestimate the amount of play in the front axle when I measured everything up. I think I originally said I made the ram 3.5" stroke, but it's closer to 3.25/3.38" somewhere in there. Probably should have made it 3.63". Anyways, I cut about 1/2" out of the steering arm at the axle to get a little more throw and now I have about 95% steering travel so I'm happy with that. It's actually has more steering angle now that it ever did with super sloppy manual steering.
Very cool. Post a pic of the steering arm mod if you get around to it.

I learned a really interesting lesson about steering after already being a car guy for 20 years, and even teaching suspension and steering classes.. this still snuck up on me.

I modified my dodge B250 conversion van to use some drop spindles from a dakota. The length of the steering arm was VERY different, maybe even close to half as long as it used to be. I knew it would speed up my steering ratio and increase my steering angle and mess up my 'ackerman', but.. i had no idea that would be my favorite part of it!! The ludicrously fast steering ratio and what feels like the 'rate of gain' off-center makes the thing HIGHLY entertaining to drive what is otherwise a very normal full size van suspension with just a lot less travel, and it BARELY clears everything at full lock and turns on a friggin dime.. It'll turn so far it almost feels like one of those vehicles where you've got to start rolling before you turn the steering all the way or it will just slide the vehicle in a straight line instead of turning. I thought the changes were 'necessary evils' and not ALL of the side effects are good, but yeah, i was shocked that making the steering so much faster would end up giving me more enjoyment than the actual lowering i was jumping through hoops for.

I havent done any steering mods to speak of on my tractors yet but stuff like this sure gets me excited to...
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