[Greg]

Hi
I need a little information on if the Bercomac blower 44" Model - # 700211-1 will work on my 1979 CASE 446 with an Onan.. The issue I am going to have is distance that I need to throw and dont want to pick up the snow again and again..
Does anyone have a BERCO on thier Case and can I get some input on how it works etc..

Thanks

Greg

 

[Stewart]

Greg

As far as I'm aware the answer is NO.

They have a model for the Backward running xxxx Models.

I have a 44" Berco on my craftsman and they DO blow snow.

Go to the Bercomac site and ask the experts :trink: .

I'm thinking a Hydro- drivin Berco on my 224-79 someday. :thumbsup:

Stewart

 

[old abe]

I'm pretty sure it will work, they have specific mules for each tractor.
On MTF user marinerlx (?) has one on his onan ingy (I think its the right one too)

 

[Stewart]

I could be wrong. :sad:

I see now that Berco offers a model for the Case.

Just over a year ago they didn't.

The model # for the Iggy and the Case are the same. I don't think 2-stage blowers would work backwards.

I'll have to check this out a little more.

Sorry for the misinformation :trink:

Stewart

 

[bhildret]

We are a Berco dealer. I've discussed this with their technical support team and my present understanding is that their snowcaster and rotary broom are configured only for the 3000/4000 engine rotation.

I've not had one near a 200/400 to try ... but their drive system is basically a copy / reverse engineering of the Ingersoll system. It would run backward. Someone will argue that you can 'fabricate anything', which is maybe true. Some members have self created the reverse rotation on their snowcasters and reported to be happy with it ... but not something I would try.

While their catalog calls out the 200/400, it is only compatible with the plow/utility blade.

Sorry ...

Brian

 

[Greg]

The following is from the local dealer and here is what he emailed me.. I gave him the exact information..

So it will work

Blower $1300, sub frame $465 and shipping 120. Sub frame is required and you need to have a counter clockwise engine rotation when you're looking at it from the front.

 

[Hydriv]

Greg,
It appears to me that you have two pieces of advice that do not agree.

What I will tell you is this. Brian Hildreth is a pretty meticulous Ingersoll dealer. He not only knows the products he carries but he's passionate about the product and in being very helpful to members of at least four discussion forums. Therefore, I put a lot of stock into what Brian has to say.

On the flip side, no one is perfect. Not me, not you, not Brian and not this other dealer.

So my advice to you is this. Pickup the phone and call those French guys at Berco. :sidelaugh:

Get a hold of someone in their engineering department that can give you a definitive answer. Then for confirmation, you can also call Jim's ww.jimsrepairjimstractors.com as he has been a long-time Berco dealer and Jim has done all kinds of re-power projects for Case tractors.

I am not saying Brian is wrong. What I am saying is that there is a possibility that Brian was given bad information or perhaps this other dealer is incorrect in what he's telling you. I just don't want you to order this expensive blower only to find out it will not work on your tractor. Further research is necessary and letting your fingers do the walking by making a couple of phone calls is the most prudent way to solve this dilemma.

 

[Greg]

I will give BERCO a call today... I did shoot them an email last night and so hopefully I can get an answer today...Actually Berco is pretty close to me like 3 hrs away....

I just want to make sure before I do this....

I respect everyones input and with my research also and French Ingenuity anything can be conquered :fingerscrossed: .

 

[old abe]

Brian, a little help here.
What's involved in the adapter to use a new caster with a 200/400 (reverses direction of drive?, or is it the other way around?)

Add that and you could use either caster no?
So you'd need Berco blower, sub frame, and C/I conversion kit at the worst?

 

[Hydriv]

Whether you use a Berco or Case blower, both are belt driven.

The issue is the two mule pulleys that make the belt turn 90 degrees along with tensioning the correct side of the belt and making sure that the mule pulleys line up with the driven pulley on the blower.


When talking about Case and Ingersoll snow casters, the earlier letter series that were designed for the 3 digit pre-89 models and the later SB series for the 4 digit models are almost identical in construction except for the two mule pulley locations and the driven pulley location. It would surprise me to find out that a Case mule bracket could be unbolted from a snow caster and then installed on a Berco blower.

Of course, with the right tools and time, such fabrications are possible.

FYI, Ingersoll did offer a kit to retrofit the older snowcasters so that they could be used on 4 digit models. At one time, this kit was a reasonable price. Whether you consider the current price reasonable or not is up to you. I believe that it is currently around $650.00 but Brian is free to correct me if he chooses to.

Some members that possess reasonable fabrication skills have done this conversion without benefit of the factory kit just by cutting off the mule brackets and welding onto the opposite side. They also installed a longer counter-shaft on the snow caster along with an auxilliary support bearing and bearing bracket.

 

[boomers_influence]

greg
if berco said CCW from the front, that tells me 4000 series,
the BACKWARDS one.
thank you. boomer

 

[Greg]

hmmm This could get confusing...

I left a message with Berco yesterday and emailed them but havent heard anything yet...

But will definitely put this to rest with the right info...

And I will post...

 

[Hydriv]

I left a message with Berco yesterday and emailed them but haven't heard anything yet...

Here's where you went wrong....

You did not communicate in French. :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh:

Now...that's an inside joke that all my fellow Canucks will laugh it but will leave the Americans wondering. :thumbsup:

 

[Stewart]

Well its looking like I should of stayed with my first post. :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh:

I know that we are not suppose to knock other brands so take this as a non-knocking post. :thumbsup:

I bought a Nor-eastern 44" it was the newer line with a Gear Box compared to the older Chain Drive Deluxe Model that Greg is considering.

The Nor-Eastern comes with a Gear Box that comes with SHEAR PINS on the first stage as well as the second stage , the deluxe comes with chain drive first stage and a shear pin on the second stage only.

In 30 years of blowing snow 20'-25' with my 224-79 and a J-80 Blower I have only twice broke down. Once I hit a stump WOT in high range and that broke my mule mount pin and my steering wheel. :sidelaugh:

The second time I picked up a 5/16 x 12' transport chain and jammed the auger which fried the belt. :thumbsup:

Now my Berco that throws the snow 50' or 60' has yet to clear my driveway without breaking a shear pin.

I've cleared my driveway 8 times for a total of 7.4 Hrs. 11 shear pins :chopwood: 9 pins on the first stage and 2 on the second stage. :clap: :clap:

The first stage eats at least 1 pin every time I try to remove the windrow from the grader. The operator drops his driveway blade about 3 feet to late, so I'm only clearing about 3 feet of windrow and as soon as I chew the windrow I lose another pin.

The deluxe model with the chain drive would be my Berco of choice. :letitsnow:

I won't have my J-80 for this season but I will be happy camper when I get it back. :thumbsup:

I had enough snow this season :canada:

Stewart

 

[old abe]

7.4 Hrs. 11 shear pins

Mon Deiu! That's no good.

 

[Greg]

Mr Hydriv
My last name is Ouellette which is French. My ancestors were the famous Acadians that nobody wanted... Some of them ended up in Louisanna some came up north and the rest hiked it over to Quebec.
I speak fluent french...

We are finally getting some snow we got about a total of 12 inches this week WAHOOO

But the temps are cooling off a little
Saturday: Mostly sunny and cold, with a high near 5. Wind chill values as low as -29. Breezy, with a west wind between 17 and 20 mph.

Saturday Night: Increasing clouds, with a low around -22. Wind chill values as low as -38. West wind between 5 and 13 mph.

Sunday: Partly sunny and cold, with a high near -7. Wind chill values as low as -37. West wind between 6 and 9 mph.

Sunday Night: Mostly cloudy, with a low around -27. West wind around 10 mph.

 

[Hydriv]

Mr Hydriv
My last name is Ouellette which is French. My ancestors were the famous Acadians that nobody wanted... Some of them ended up in Louisanna some came up north and the rest hiked it over to Quebec.
I speak fluent french...

Greg,
I am well aware of your last name and your heritage. What you may not be aware of is that some businesses in La Belle Province give faster and better service to francophones than anglophones. My guess is that both of your attempted contacts with Berco were done in English. Since you are fluent in French, you should have approached them using that tongue. I'm betting that it would have made a difference.

Viva le differance. :sidelaugh:

 

[Rob_P]

Viva le differance

Vive la difference. Tom , maybe you should stick to the Queen's English! :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh:

 

[Hydriv]

Viva le differance

Vive la difference. Tom , maybe you should stick to the Queen's English! :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh:

Rob,
That's one of the reasons the Quebecois give the Anglophones like me a rough time.

 

[Rob_P]

That's one of the reasons the Quebecois give the Anglophones like me a rough time.

:grin: BTW, re: your suggestion to deal with companies in Quebec in French - better be sure your accent and pronunciation are spot-on, or you'll get worse response. I tried that once and the woman I was speaking to got frustrated and told me to JUST SPEAK ENGLISH! :sidelaugh: