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Are these all the models of Garden Tractors that Case made? Not Yard Tractors or Ingy Tractors.
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Weren't those made after ingy's acquisition of the Case garden tractor division?kungdrew said:
Technically speaking, all of those are Case garden tractor models including the 448 that was introduced for the 1980 model year and the 226 that was introduced for the 1984 model year. Yes, Jack Ingersoll did buy the division in late, late, late 1983 but that deal came with an agreement that Jack would continue to build these tractors for Case and badge them as Case for an undisclosed number of years.
What happened to that agreement has not been made public but these were tumultuous times for the industry with Case absorbing I/H and all those fat-cat brand loyal I/H top brass. I am convinced that it was those guys who put the death-hold on these tractors as Case branded units. After all, these are the same turkeys that sold off the profitable Cub Cadet line to MTD.
Even though the 3 digit models stayed in production until the start of 1989, the Case name was still on them until 1985 finished. Only the last three years, were badged purely as Ingersoll's but no new GT models were introduced in that period. Presumably, they were busy building prototype 4 digit models at that time.
What happened to that agreement has not been made public but these were tumultuous times for the industry with Case absorbing I/H and all those fat-cat brand loyal I/H top brass. I am convinced that it was those guys who put the death-hold on these tractors as Case branded units. After all, these are the same turkeys that sold off the profitable Cub Cadet line to MTD.
Even though the 3 digit models stayed in production until the start of 1989, the Case name was still on them until 1985 finished. Only the last three years, were badged purely as Ingersoll's but no new GT models were introduced in that period. Presumably, they were busy building prototype 4 digit models at that time.
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So my list with the addition of the 448 were all the garden tractors made by Case? And starting in 1984 tractors were made by Ingersoll for Case?
I guess that you could define it that way. :wink:
Bob,
About all I can tell you for sure....is that I'm not near as smart as some people may think that I am. The reason I say that is this. The more I learn about Colt, Case and Ingersoll as companies, the more I realize just how much there is that is still unknown and probably never will be known. For instance, I don't know the true date that the ink dried on the sales agreement anymore than I know what the terms of that agreement were.
Someone remarked that Case was still paying all the bills for the division after 1983. Presumably, there was supposed to be some sort of reconciliation at some point, IF that statement was true. Rumor and innuendo abound. About all I can say is that for the purposes of this discussion, the 226 was made by Ingersoll AFTER the deal was reportedly made in December of 1983 BUT... you know that there is always a BUT.
The 1984 models began production in the latter part of 1983 so that they could be shipped to the distributor's warehouses in time to start supplying the dealers with new product by the first of the year.
Aren't you glad you asked? :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh:
Bob,
About all I can tell you for sure....is that I'm not near as smart as some people may think that I am. The reason I say that is this. The more I learn about Colt, Case and Ingersoll as companies, the more I realize just how much there is that is still unknown and probably never will be known. For instance, I don't know the true date that the ink dried on the sales agreement anymore than I know what the terms of that agreement were.
Someone remarked that Case was still paying all the bills for the division after 1983. Presumably, there was supposed to be some sort of reconciliation at some point, IF that statement was true. Rumor and innuendo abound. About all I can say is that for the purposes of this discussion, the 226 was made by Ingersoll AFTER the deal was reportedly made in December of 1983 BUT... you know that there is always a BUT.
The 1984 models began production in the latter part of 1983 so that they could be shipped to the distributor's warehouses in time to start supplying the dealers with new product by the first of the year.
Aren't you glad you asked? :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh:
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I work for a book bindery and we started a new division, Pixyour Media. They are wanting to test out thier equipment and want us to come up with a book for them to print and bind. I am compiling some good pictures of Case tractors including garden tractors. The title is the old Case slogan, Better than 10 Horses and an Extra Man.
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Only one. It really is just a trial effort. All employees got a chance to make a book. Most are making a picture book (weddings, babies, etc...) I want a book that appeals to me. The wife has thousands of wedding pictures and baby pictures of our 4 kids. Honestly speaking these books are expensive!! 20 pages front and back 12" x 12" $120.00 plus tax and shipping. About 138.00 total. I think it is a rip off, but I get a free Case book.
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I would gladly pay that for 40 pages of 12X12 pictures of my tractors.
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I'd argue that 1986 was not purely badged as an Ingersoll (nor was it purely Case either). For example, I have more badging on my '86 446 that says "Case" than "Ingersoll". The grill and dash say "Case", the vinyl hood stripes say "Ingersoll" and the ID plate on the dash tower lists both!
I always thought that was a little strange how that year was "dual-badged", but likely a corporate move to begin name tranisition.
I always thought that was a little strange how that year was "dual-badged", but likely a corporate move to begin name tranisition.
And your argument would be correct and that would mean that I'm wrong. :sidelaugh:drhulv said:
After reading your post Doctor, I checked the parts manual and CASE does show up in between the headlamps and on the dash decal. Presumably, it was 1987 then, when the badge-ing was 100 percent Ingersoll. Thanks for pointing that out and making me look stupid. :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh:
Doctor.... I know it wasn't your intent and I'm just havin' a laugh at myself over what happened. I'm a big stickler for correct info being shown on forums so I can hardly get upset with anyone who does the same thing to me, now can I? :lol: :lol: :lol:
No one should worry about correcting me. If I make a mistake, call me on it. We are here to share info and there is much for everyone to learn, including me. :thumbsup:
No one should worry about correcting me. If I make a mistake, call me on it. We are here to share info and there is much for everyone to learn, including me. :thumbsup:
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