CCKA Starter Problem

Ted Miller · Apr 20, 2011

I am having problem with the starter on the 646, it has the solenoid on top of the starter, when I turn the key sometimes it engages the flywheel and sometimes I just hear the starter spin. With my limited experience I feel the solenoid is the problem. Can they be removed without removing the starter, and if so can the solenoid be disassembled and cleaned?

Thanks
Ted :headscratcher:

gator_rider2 · Apr 20, 2011

Bendix is problem its not spinning out to flywheel gear. Solenoid okay.

Ted Miller · Apr 20, 2011

gator_rider2 said:
Bendix is problem its not spinning out to flywheel gear. Solenoid okay.

Guess I will pulling a starter. :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh:

mikebramel · Apr 20, 2011

Check the flywheel teeth. You may be pulling the whole engine

Ted Miller · Apr 20, 2011

mikebramel said:
Check the flywheel teeth. You may be pulling the whole engine

I hope not, when it does engage it sounds normal, but again I will check.

Ted
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horton20 · Apr 20, 2011

Try giving it a shot of oil first, on the bendix it may be rusty and hung up horton20

Hydriv · Apr 20, 2011

I agree with Horton 20. Try spraying something light onto the Bendix such as WD40 or similar. Then try the starter several times. It may take more than one application to get it free up.

boomers_influence · Apr 21, 2011

ted and club
solenoid style of starter ,DOES NOT USE THE BENDIX STYLE OF DRIVE.
solenoid style has a fork, that is pulled in by the solenoid. (no screw on the shaft)
the bendix style is moved in by the screw on the starter shaft.
thank you. boomer

Hydriv · Apr 21, 2011

boomers_influence said:
ted and club
solenoid style of starter ,DOES NOT USE THE BENDIX STYLE OF DRIVE.
solenoid style has a fork, that is pulled in by the solenoid. (no screw on the shaft)
the bendix style is moved in by the screw on the starter shaft.
thank you. boomer

This why we keep this guy around. We need to be reminded that the CCK Series engines were different from the B and P Series. :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh: Good one, Boomer. :thumbsup:

Ted Miller · Apr 21, 2011

boomers_influence said:
ted and club
solenoid style of starter ,DOES NOT USE THE BENDIX STYLE OF DRIVE.
solenoid style has a fork, that is pulled in by the solenoid. (no screw on the shaft)
the bendix style is moved in by the screw on the starter shaft.
thank you. boomer

Boomer,
What do I look for to correct this? :headscratcher: :headscratcher:
I need your advice.

Thanks,
Ted

mikebramel · Apr 21, 2011

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Hydriv · Apr 21, 2011

Mike,
Do we not have something like that in our Tech section? I'm thinking either the Engine or Electrical divisions in the Service Manuals.

If not, we should. Would you help with that?

mikebramel · Apr 21, 2011

IDK, I have a Onan "MASTER" service manual. If you need it I can help you....... its only fair

Hydriv · Apr 21, 2011

If you have a decent flatbed scanner capable of delivering nice, clean images then that would be good. If not, then you could mail that manual to Jack in Michigan and he will scan it.

We insist on the following.

- each scan must contain only ONE page of a manual.

- you start with the cover of the manual and end with the back cover so that members know that the entire manual is in the PDF

- every page of the manual must be included UNLESS it is totally blank. However, if an otherwise blank page has a page number shown, it must be included in the PDF so that no one wonders if a page was missed.

- pages need to be square to the scanner bed and held down flat so that black streaks do not cloud the image.

We realize that every manual we currently have in the Tech section may not meet every one of the above criteria but sometimes a crappy manual is still better than no manual. Even so, I just turned down a manual because all of the safety warnings had been left out by the person who scanned it. We will not compromise on safety issues even though this was a manual that I dearly wanted.

gator_rider2 · Apr 21, 2011

http://www.amazon.com/Starter-John-Deer ... 1303419628

Ted I installed one these today on 646-78 works great has 2 year warranty. $ 98.45 plus shipping

boomers_influence · Apr 23, 2011

ted.
sorry for the delay, it has been a busy week.
i think the starter needs to come out.
then you can bench test it.
i,m sure that the 98.00 starter comes from xxxxx.
you would be better off to rebuild your original. (japan, good)
i have NO time for things made in xxxxx
thank you. boomer

Hydriv · Apr 23, 2011

Boomer,

If you want to say CHINA.... then say CHINA.. You are entitled to your opinion regarding products made in China.

robynrj · Apr 24, 2011

Tom A
Not ALL cck family use solenoid style......some used delco much like B43 does, thou much bigger.

Ted
Remove starter after your sure bendix shaft clean etc.....also check all teeth on flywheel. But yes solenoid can be replaced.
Bob M

boomers_influence · Apr 24, 2011

bob and club
most all B 43 G and M and B48 G and M used the American Bosch starter.
i have not seen Delco on any of the above.
thank you. boomer

Ted Miller · Apr 24, 2011

I apologize for not getting back sooner, had to go to VA Friday, (150 miles round trip) and we got 4 inches of snow Friday night, didn't get out of the 30s all day, so I did absolutely nothing. Will look at it closer tomorrow, but I have a feeling it might be the connection that goes from the switch to solenoid. If I recall correctly when I took off the cable from battery connected to the starter, that wire sorta of fell off the solenoid, could be something a simple as a loose connection. :facepalm: :facepalm:

Thanks to all that responded.
Ted

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