[bbpitts]

I saw this a while back and couldn't get it out of my mind. A Case rear end turned around with ball joints and spindles for steering. The big hold up was clearance for the hydraulic motor on one side.
I wanted to do it on a 400 frame but since I had two 200 tractors, I used a differential out of one of those.
You can measure all day long but actually putting pieces together, you can make adjustments.
I tack welded the kingpin on the housing and installed the spindle and hub bearing, then I put on a tire and rim to see what I would need for clearance. In one picture you can see a mounted tire turned and clearing the motor. The tires will turn 42 degrees both ways.
The original axle housings are too long, when I cut off the casting, I also cut off the out axle bushing and axle seal. I took the part of the housing I cut of, which had the mount for the bushing and seal, then turned them down to fit in the the original housing. I had my bushing and seal back.
I installed the spindle,bearing and hub with the axle universal, I could then see out long the axles needed to be.
I used Case axle, so the spline would fit in the spider gears

 

[JRP1]

What’s the width with the tires on it? Maxing work. Keep posting looks great so far.

what’s theheight difference in the front going to be?

 

[Jancoe]

Will be following this. I love seeing new creations taking shape. Are those dana 30 axle parts? Lol I have a spare d30 I thought about using and doing the same. Awesome.

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[Harry]

Looks like a terrific project, one that I will definitely be following.
Keep the Peace ✌
Harry

 

[dundee222]

What are you going to do with it once operational? Going to be kinda wide, no?

 

[DDudeinar]

What are you going to do with it once operational? Going to be kinda wide, no?

Looking at the pictures, it looks like they cut down the overall width of the axle and it seems wider but not by much. Looks like they cut a good 8" off both sides. I've been wanting to do something like this but I was going to use a front axle off a different tractor to achieve the same thing because the geometry of shoving this huge of a front axle unit into these small tractors would not be fun to figure out.

 

[bbpitts]

Thanks for your replies;
That is a dana 30 front axle, it is a little be heavy duty for this but then I probably won't break it. It is off a 97 Cherokee so it came with 4 1/2 x 5 wheel flange, same as a 200 series.
The width wheel flange to wheel flange is 39 inches, the stock 200 series was 27 1/2. The tractor will be 11 inches wider, 5 1/2 either side. I have three 400 series tractors and one 220, I never liked the the 220, always felt like I was going to fall off. That ought to make it more stable. As for as the rear wheels aligning up with the front wheels, I haven;t figured that one out yet, sounds like a good time for rear dual wheels or I could extend the rear axles.
I am presently working on mounting the front differential to the frame, it it is going to pivot like the the original axle did. I'll send pics when I figure it out. Case frames are cut out in the back and when I reinforce the frame that could be raised which would level the tractor.
I have two 220's that will be combined to make one tractor, I did the front first because everyone said it couldn't be done because the wheel would not clear the hyd motor.
What am I going to do with it,I don't know. I'm retired,I have a welder and it sounded like a good idea at the time.
More later Bill

 

[scottlcy]

I saw this a while back and couldn't get it out of my mind. A Case rear end turned around with ball joints and spindles for steering. The big hold up was clearance for the hydraulic motor on one side.
I wanted to do it on a 400 frame but since I had two 200 tractors, I used a differential out of one of those.
You can measure all day long but actually putting pieces together, you can make adjustments.
I tack welded the kingpin on the housing and installed the spindle and hub bearing, then I put on a tire and rim to see what I would need for clearance. In one picture you can see a mounted tire turned and clearing the motor. The tires will turn 42 degrees both ways.
The original axle housings are too long, when I cut off the casting, I also cut off the out axle bushing and axle seal. I took the part of the housing I cut of, which had the mount for the bushing and seal, then turned them down to fit in the the original housing. I had my bushing and seal back.
I installed the spindle,bearing and hub with the axle universal, I could then see out long the axles needed to be.
I used Case axle, so the spline would fit in the spider gears
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Sweet, I guess mine won’t be the only one now.

 

[scottlcy]

Thanks for your replies;
That is a dana 30 front axle, it is a little be heavy duty for this but then I probably won't break it. It is off a 97 Cherokee so it came with 4 1/2 x 5 wheel flange, same as a 200 series.
The width wheel flange to wheel flange is 39 inches, the stock 200 series was 27 1/2. The tractor will be 11 inches wider, 5 1/2 either side. I have three 400 series tractors and one 220, I never liked the the 220, always felt like I was going to fall off. That ought to make it more stable. As for as the rear wheels aligning up with the front wheels, I haven;t figured that one out yet, sounds like a good time for rear dual wheels or I could extend the rear axles.
I am presently working on mounting the front differential to the frame, it it is going to pivot like the the original axle did. I'll send pics when I figure it out. Case frames are cut out in the back and when I reinforce the frame that could be raised which would level the tractor.
I have two 220's that will be combined to make one tractor, I did the front first because everyone said it couldn't be done because the wheel would not clear the hyd motor.
What am I going to do with it,I don't know. I'm retired,I have a welder and it sounded like a good idea at the time.
More later Bill

I am just running 2” spacers on the rear and front I moved the centers as far as possible. Only issue I had was getting it all set just right so it wouldnt bind when turning. It has to be right on the money unlike in the truck the axle can move forward and back as needed when turned cause the oil seal is inboard not out board like a case axle. I was unaware someone said it couldn’t be done.

 

[JRP1]

Are you going to be running the same size tires front and rear or will you try and do the math trying to run a 400series hydraulic motor in 1 axle with a different size tire?
either way it’s a awesome project and keep going with it.

 

[JRP1]

I am just running 2” spacers on the rear and front I moved the centers as far as possible. Only issue I had was getting it all set just right so it wouldnt bind when turning. It has to be right on the money unlike in the truck the axle can move forward and back as needed when turned cause the oil seal is inboard not out board like a case axle. I was unaware someone said it couldn’t be done.

Is your project complete?

 

[scottlcy]

Are you going to be running the same size tires front and rear or will you try and do the math trying to run a 400series hydraulic motor in 1 axle with a different size tire?
either way it’s a awesome project and keep going with it.

I am somewhat done. Between the 200 and 400 the ratio is close enough.

 

[JRP1]

Awesome. Can’t wait for it to be done

 

[scottlcy]

Awesome. Can’t wait for it to be done

Well you know once a project always a project. Lol. I built my axle in 2016. Id like to add front and rear hydro ports and a front 3 point hitch. Also I think I need more weight on the rear now. In the beginning I was thinking 2000 pounds was optimal and know it’s going to be.

 

[curtisfox]

WOW! KOOL! So interesting..................Curt

 

[50cal]

Very nice are you going to have brakes?

 

[bbpitts]

Ran into a little set back. I had everything tack welded, last Friday went down to complete welding, that's when I found out I had a bind in one axle/universal.
I immediately assumed that it was some I did not have lined up right. I took the one side apart three times and reassembled it, still had bind. It turned out to be a bent universal yoke from the dana 30. I just got another axle assembly this evening. I.'ll change it and start again.
For 50cal, yes it will have disc brakes, maybe on both differentials?
Bill

 

[scottlcy]

Ran into a little set back. I had everything tack welded, last Friday went down to complete welding, that's when I found out I had a bind in one axle/universal.
I immediately assumed that it was some I did not have lined up right. I took the one side apart three times and reassembled it, still had bind. It turned out to be a bent universal yoke from the dana 30. I just got another axle assembly this evening. I.'ll change it and start again.
For 50cal, yes it will have disc brakes, maybe on both differentials?
Bill

What are you doing for a axle seal, I don’t see one anymore.

 

[bbpitts]

Scotticy;
I didn't post the picture but I cut 1/2 inch off the piece from the part I cut off when I shortened the axle tube.
his part has the cutout that holds the seal, then I welded it back on. If you look at this picture, you will see one of the end pieces that hold the sea (the ring)l. have seal out right now, didn't want to screw it up with too much heat welding.
Bill

 

[bbpitts]

I fixed the bind, had to get another axle.

The sq tube is a brace to keep differential level.
I got the two 200 tractors and started the frame.

I will use the nicer frame and parts from the other. I want to extend the frame 7" and than adjust for frame height so it sets level. The front is about 5" higher than the back.
I also have to figure a way to connect a snow blade with a front axle in the way.
I thought the front differential was going to be the hard part but it turned out easier than I though. After looking at the frames, there are definitely more challenges to come.
Bill