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Frustrated with the P218 in my 6018L!!

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Engine shuts down as if the key switch was turned off! Have to let it cool for a while and then it restarts!
I went thru this several years back and replaced the ignition module. Yesterday the ambient temp was around 85F and the same condition came back!
Replacing the ignition module on a 6018 requires the engine to be removed so the blower housing and flywheel can be removed, not a job that I like to do.
I do have a new coil in stock and plan to install it soon, but not confident that the coil is the problem. I am also going to replace the key switch, I may have one in stock.
There is the possibility that vapor lock may be the problem and I will change the gasoline to 89 or 91. I have a big job to do with this tractor and I will need it to be reliable!
Frustrated :mad:
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Bob,
I don't know Onan's very well, Can you get your hand on the coil easily? If so run the tractor till it shuts down and check the coil temp. When my 224-78 was shutting it self off, the coil would be as hot as a old school ceramic coffee cup full of hot coffee. I was able to borrow a coil from a out of season tractor, and after 2 hours of blowing snow the borrowed coil was no warmer than the flywheel shroud.

Cheers,
Gordy
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It sounds like one of the windings in the coil are breaking down. The Onan Service Manual give steps to test the resistance for the primary and secondary windings.
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This manual is for the P Series engines. Page 8-2 tells how to test the coil. For both continuity and resistance.
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I do have a new coil and I will install it soon. But it has been my experience that when the key switch is turned to the on position and the spark plugs fire once with some residual fuel in the combustion chamber, this means that the ignition module is starting to fail. The ignition module was replaced with new about 50 engine hours prior and 2 years back. The engine 'dieseled' several times this operating period which tells me that the engine is running very hot. The cooling system is clean and the tractor is not operated in dust and has about 120 hours since and out of tractor decarb and cleaning. Engine oil consumption is 1/2 pint in 2 hours of operation as stays fairly clean, little to no smoke on cold starts.
i am going to drain the 87 octane fuel out and refill with 89 or 91. This will cool down the operating temp of the engine and reduce or stop 'dieseling' or run on after key off.
I did find an on line supplier of 24 Honda complete repower kits for 6018s!!!!! ChaChing$$$$$ 😎
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Hi troops,
Today I did some checks on the P218 in my 6018L. The spark was nice and blue on the spark checkers, the coil wasn't hot after a 20 minute run. I did drain the 87 fuel out and put in 89. I was hoping to get some 91, but the stations that I went to go 87, 89, 93, so I went with 89. So I will see what happens when I go to the cemetery to move and cut up the wood from 9 trees that we had cut down last December. I will cut the logs in 16-18 inch lengths and hopefully folks will come and pick them up and take them away. The easy pieces have already been picked up. Then I will go there and grind several stumps that are in the way when turning vehicles on the narrow trails with grave stones close by. The old part was designed for a horse and buggy back when! 😎
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Unfortunately, it does sound to me like it could be the ignition module. Had one failing years ago that would run great for 10 minutes or up to several hours before shutting off like a switch. After it cooled down it would start right up and be fine for a few weeks or so. But as I recall, it became more frequent as time went on. I think you can use a test from the service manual for the module to eliminate being the coil. Yes, it's a major pain to replace, but I have only had to do it once in over 30 years. Keep in mind that you should test the module when the engine is operating correctly, and then right after it quits on it's own - before it has time to cool down - that should confirm if it is the module or not.
Good luck.
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Engine shuts down as if the key switch was turned off! Have to let it cool for a while and then it restarts! I went thru this several years back and replaced the ignition module. Yesterday the ambient temp was around 85F and the same condition came back! Replacing the ignition module on a 6018 requires the engine to be removed so the blower housing and flywheel can be removed, not a job that I like to do. I do have a new coil in stock and plan to install it soon, but not confident that the coil is the problem. I am also going to replace the key switch, I may have one in stock. There is the possibility that vapor lock may be the problem and I will change the gasoline to 89 or 91. I have a big job to do with this tractor and I will need it to be reliable! Frustrated :mad:
Does this model have a fuel shutoff solenoid in the carb? Make sure the connection to the selenoid is good or it will shut the fuel off w/o 12v
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Does this model have a fuel shutoff solenoid in the carb? Make sure the connection to the selenoid is good or it will shut the fuel off w/o 12v
None of the Onans on Case/Ingersoll machines have a fuel shutoff valve in the carb.
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A few things, if you are in a Jam Bob I have parts in stock up the road in Andover CT. and have multiple coils, key switches and spark modules and triggers here currently as of today lol. Sold 4 coil last week so you know how that goes but have 6 left In stock I think, Anyways. As far as the spark module I have had a few test "good" and end up being faulty... can be frustrating. There is very little to the ignition system as you know on the P series. Its been our experience that often these items fail closely in pairs. As you know diagnosing is key, BUT problems that are not constant or definite are tough. So if you are getting key power where and when you should, Coil tests good and spark Module test good. Then this is what we do and recommend for a couple reasons. Replace the key switch and coil, They are the eaisets to deal with and least costly. If that does not fix the issue then you are left with module and trigger. Like I said most times these fail close to each other and we feel one causes the other. To me to protect the invest of the spark module and or coil its a no brianer to replace the switch, coil and spark module and trigger. Not cheap but cheaper than wiping out a part you just put in and much easier and less aggravating than having to pull engine again to replace the expensive part again. Just my 2 cents.

As far as vapor lock, we see it very often in the spring especially with left over winter gas and especially low test. We run and recommend high test 93 plus octane in everything and non ethanol if available. Many times fresh high test fixes the issue if there is not a true over heating condition. 3 tell tale signs of vapor lock are when it dies sometimes you can hear the gas boiling off, sometimes clear fule filter is empty or bubbling and 1 almost always sure sign pull carb top off right away and it will be empty. Good luck
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Hi Troops,
I finally got around to working on my 6018L. I changed the gas to 89 octane, no change. Replaced the ignition coil with new, no change. I replaced the key switch and I think that the key switch was the problem. I went looking thru my parts stash and found a new key switch that I thought I had installed in my 6018L, Oh well!!! It is there now and I just gave the 6018L a hard run thru my woods. Pics of the interior of the old key switch, it actually checked out OK with an ohmmeter! This key switch is what is used on all 3000, 4000 and 6018s that are P Series Onan engine powered.
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I see dirt/carbon/oil on the contacts but no wear or signs of arcing. Can the switch not be just cleaned and put back together? Kind of like starters, unless they are really high milage, just need the brush holders and commutator cleaned to give them a new lease on life.
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Hi dundee222,
The housing is pot metal and the crimp breaks. The switch had a 1999 manufacture date on it, so it was due, the machine was built in 1998 probably as a 1999 year tractor. July 1997 build date on the P 218 Onan. I have an analog voltmeter in place of the stock ammeter and I noticed that the charging voltage was higher with the new switch and regulated to 14.3 VDC quickly. The charging voltage with the old key switch was slow to come up to 14.3 VDC, so there was a problem with that switch. In my stash was a new switch that I had labeled to go on the 6018L in 2019, I had forgotten to install it when I repaired the electrical wiring. I just used the tractor to move around some metal junk in my woods. I need to rent a dumpster and get rid of this junk, transmissions, engines, about 8 of them and broken boat trailers! I'm going to keep a pair of neon spark testers under the seat just in case. 😎
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Scrap is HOT right now, especially clean metal!
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