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Kzoo Mi C/L 444 PK-$1,200 obo
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A premium asking price for a premium condition PK. The Seller appears to be somewhat knowledgeable but did not mention the optional F-30 HyLift kit on this tractor.
This appears to be a unit that you could just buy and show for years as an original tractor. Since it apparently needs no restoration, it is certainly worth more than one that does need a total restoration.
This appears to be a unit that you could just buy and show for years as an original tractor. Since it apparently needs no restoration, it is certainly worth more than one that does need a total restoration.
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Tom, it has a breakerless ignition system. Now would an honest man be able to that? :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh:Hydriv said:
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Like so many deals out there, this one has a back story too.
I called the Seller and found out that he's a member here. I'll leave it up to him to reveal his screen name if he wishes to.
He is a collector and owns a few other big wheel models including a 1971 BK. When he bought this tractor, the ID tag was missing. He spent some time with the parts manual comparing the "build" of this tractor to what the parts manual revealed. He is certain that the build of his tractor matches the PK criteria even though there is no PK decal on the back of the seat and the hood decals are essentially incorrect. He got an ID plate from Jim Daenzer that bears a PIN that falls inside of the PK PIN spread. He cannot find anything about the hood that would tell him that it had been repainted or re-decal-ed.
I found him to be quite candid about all of this and he never attempted to evade my questions in any way. He was not aware of my identity until very late in the conversation. Once again, we seem to have one of those "puzzler tractors" in front of us.
I called the Seller and found out that he's a member here. I'll leave it up to him to reveal his screen name if he wishes to.
He is a collector and owns a few other big wheel models including a 1971 BK. When he bought this tractor, the ID tag was missing. He spent some time with the parts manual comparing the "build" of this tractor to what the parts manual revealed. He is certain that the build of his tractor matches the PK criteria even though there is no PK decal on the back of the seat and the hood decals are essentially incorrect. He got an ID plate from Jim Daenzer that bears a PIN that falls inside of the PK PIN spread. He cannot find anything about the hood that would tell him that it had been repainted or re-decal-ed.
I found him to be quite candid about all of this and he never attempted to evade my questions in any way. He was not aware of my identity until very late in the conversation. Once again, we seem to have one of those "puzzler tractors" in front of us.
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Tom,
Did it come from the factory with breakerless ignition? If not it wouldn't meet your criteria as orginal. :lol: :lol:
Ted
Did it come from the factory with breakerless ignition? If not it wouldn't meet your criteria as orginal. :lol: :lol:
Ted
This question came up over on MTF in the past few days and certain members of this list ended up with a bit of egg on their face, thanks to their answers. :sidelaugh: But then again, that site is infamous for giving out wrong or incomplete information so nothing that happens there surprises me that much. :lol: :lol:
The 1969 and 1970 Case 444 models used a starter motor, alternator and a breakerless ignition system. Replacement parts for this system are quite expensive and many of those engines were converted back to points, condenser and a conventional coil. Of course, the ignition switch also had to be changed and some re-wiring needed to be done.
So yes..... that breakerless engine is OEM.
The 1969 and 1970 Case 444 models used a starter motor, alternator and a breakerless ignition system. Replacement parts for this system are quite expensive and many of those engines were converted back to points, condenser and a conventional coil. Of course, the ignition switch also had to be changed and some re-wiring needed to be done.
So yes..... that breakerless engine is OEM.
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Thanks for the info.
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Egg clean up on isle 3, (That's me cleaning up the egg isn't it?)Hydriv said:
Any chance to recover my pride and claim that I did it on purpose rather than out of ignorance to make other internet forums look better? :grin:
Only CP corrected me or is he the only one a MTF that knew better?
glCoupe had this to say. That likely is the original engine, the 69/70 machines came with electronic ignition and didn't have the generator on them but the top mount starter like the later Kohler powered machines.eBoyDog said:
Someone posted three hours after that but didn't take note of his words. :lol:
Whomever that was shouldn't worry too much about the egg splatter because those are the lessons that sink in. Ask me how I know? :sidelaugh: I've had to scrub my face more than one time over the years and I probably will again.
glCoupe was correct but he did not define his answer. Only the 14 hp model engines were built that way. The 224 was not available until 1973. Therefore, only the 444 used that engine. The 220, 222 and 442 models all came with start/gen units.
Trust me. You don't need to try and make that site look bad. They manage to do that themselves pretty much every day of the week. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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I have the twin brother to that tractor.Going by my serial number, I was told that it is a 1969PK.The decals on my tractor are identical to the one in Kzoo.I have the lift kit,the add-on snap fast adapter kit and the F70 tiller/PTO kit on mine.Alas ...it is not in as good shape :facepalm: maybe someday!
As i said earlier, mystery tractors do show up that leave you :headscratcher: :headscratcher: :headscratcher: :headscratcher: :headscratcher:Mr onetwo said:
There are days when i wonder if there was some serious partying going on in the Town of Winneconne and the results showed up on the tractors that were built on Mondays.
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the tractor is MOST Definetly a PK, just look at the fenders, dash etc that is enough to tell me it is a PK, Maybe it was a left over model and the dealer just decided to put later model decals on it........... Case Ag dealers did the same things I have seen a few SC, DC and VAC's painted 2 tone and their original owners swear that that is they way they bought em...
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Hmm, this is a 1969, it has the PK seat pedestal but the 1970 hood decals :headscratcher: . Seeing variations like this makes this site more interesting.
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Another pre-SN 9641001 tractor with the later decals? Maybe Tom's right, Too much Heileman's Old Style on Lake Winneconne that weekend. :trink: :crazy:Mr onetwo said:
And the reason GLCoupe didn't clarify his answer was because the main topic of the thread was the 444 being discussed. ANd didn't want to dive in to a discussion on other machines, but Tom did bring out a valid point on clarity. As for the later decals, I ahve wonder this my else the 69 machine I have has the later decals and doesn't appear to have been repainted either but when I was considering trying to go with earlier decals for consistency. I'll double check my SN on the machine and get back to the thread in the next couple days.
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