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LOLI agree with Bart. Dan's articulated is a fine example of how one can create one of these to the point where observers wonder if it came from the factory. I have no problem giving Dan his due when it comes to his skills as a fabricator. He consistently turns out top quality product that has been well thought out and then well executed. Bob's tractors are like that too.
Stewart... joining Photobucket costs nothing and takes a few minutes. Yes, there is a bit of a learning curve in using it but they've made it easier today then it was when I joined years ago. So, it's time for you to stop with the lame-ass excuses. You started this thread. Don't expect everyone else to bring the beer to the party when you haven't set something up to keep it cold.
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Stewart... joining Photobucket costs nothing and takes a few minutes. Yes, there is a bit of a learning curve in using it but they've made it easier today then it was when I joined years ago. So, it's time for you to stop with the lame-ass excuses. You started this thread. Don't expect everyone else to bring the beer to the party when you haven't set something up to keep it cold.
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I get where Stewart is coming from, all these tractors have one common theme, the Case drive system, being partial to the Case branded tractors (logos, colors, hood lines etc...) I would love to see one pay homage to it's roots.
Of course, to be entirely fair, it would have to be a Colt to be truely accurate, but I would be sporting a flagpole if someone ever converted a pre-83 into one of these beasts.
Secretly I think it isn't fair that these machines are Case at heart but masquerade with other brands badging and colors. No wonder most of the public isn't aware of our favorite brand. Just thinking out loud, don't shoot me yet. :wink:
Of course, to be entirely fair, it would have to be a Colt to be truely accurate, but I would be sporting a flagpole if someone ever converted a pre-83 into one of these beasts.
Secretly I think it isn't fair that these machines are Case at heart but masquerade with other brands badging and colors. No wonder most of the public isn't aware of our favorite brand. Just thinking out loud, don't shoot me yet. :wink:
So far, I have not seen a single articulated tractor with Case clothing that is worth showing in this forum unless you like to look at examples of how not to build one. I have no objection to some of those crude efforts being shown here because there is always something that can be learned by looking at bad examples.
It was my intent to show you guys what's possible when you really sit down and PLAN how to build one. Not everyone is going to create something like Little Bud or the examples shown in the other thread but fabrication is a learning process. Everyone has to start somewhere and then learn from their mistakes.
But at least you guys now know what's possible and to me,,, that's called inspiration.
It was my intent to show you guys what's possible when you really sit down and PLAN how to build one. Not everyone is going to create something like Little Bud or the examples shown in the other thread but fabrication is a learning process. Everyone has to start somewhere and then learn from their mistakes.
But at least you guys now know what's possible and to me,,, that's called inspiration.
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If i ever gey my hands on another 446 i would like to try my hand at making one. I allready have a parts tractor, just need to find another one. I surely will not be using my tractor that i currently use. I recently ran thru some numbers in my head to total up how much i have invested in mine and its about 3 grand! If only they were more abundant down south. I have only come across 3 and i bought 2 of them.
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Tom,
I've had an opportunity to examine Dan's tractor up close and personal and can tell you it is anything but crude. I had discussions with him in the early stages of his planning/design and knew he would end up with a pretty good job but I was totally blown away with the finished product. One of the things that sets his apart is that it is specifically designed to mount any of the standard attachments--except the belly mowers--without any modification or adjustment. Dan designed it to be a working tractor and it is. Standard snap fast system up front with a belt drive PTO and a 3 pt on the rear with a hydraulic PTO. He also has 3 additional hydraulic circuits plumbed to the front for operating a blade/sweeper or whatever. The extensive hydraulics and control levers are well placed and neatly executed. In the wintertime it sports a standard Case hard cab but that is unheated--perhaps the biggest oversight of the design. It is powered by a 27 HP Generac engine.
Most of the other articulated tractors I've seen are terrific show pieces but probably never had to work for a living.
Bart
I've had an opportunity to examine Dan's tractor up close and personal and can tell you it is anything but crude. I had discussions with him in the early stages of his planning/design and knew he would end up with a pretty good job but I was totally blown away with the finished product. One of the things that sets his apart is that it is specifically designed to mount any of the standard attachments--except the belly mowers--without any modification or adjustment. Dan designed it to be a working tractor and it is. Standard snap fast system up front with a belt drive PTO and a 3 pt on the rear with a hydraulic PTO. He also has 3 additional hydraulic circuits plumbed to the front for operating a blade/sweeper or whatever. The extensive hydraulics and control levers are well placed and neatly executed. In the wintertime it sports a standard Case hard cab but that is unheated--perhaps the biggest oversight of the design. It is powered by a 27 HP Generac engine.
Most of the other articulated tractors I've seen are terrific show pieces but probably never had to work for a living.
Bart
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Bart, I don't think Tom meant that Dan's tractor was crude, it was some OTHER examples he was talking about. Tom paid Dan a compliment in his first post, just wanted to clear that up in case you might have mis read his second post. I too have a great deal of respect for Dan's fabbing skills. His fabbing skills.
I would love to see ANY attempt at making an articulated Case. Like Tom put it, there is something to be learned from every project, as a musician, I even watch the lesser skilled players with the same thinking in mind, there is an opportunity to learn something from everyone, not just the masters.
Not trying to be argumentative, sorry if it sounds that way, I love you all....
I would love to see ANY attempt at making an articulated Case. Like Tom put it, there is something to be learned from every project, as a musician, I even watch the lesser skilled players with the same thinking in mind, there is an opportunity to learn something from everyone, not just the masters.
Not trying to be argumentative, sorry if it sounds that way, I love you all....
My apologies for not making myself clear.Bart said:
I was not referring to Dan's tractor. I have the highest respect for Dan Haas as a fabricator. Just because he and I don't see eye to eye on other issues does not diminish my praise for Dan in this area. I was under the impression that his Articulated had Ingersoll markings on it, not Case. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Over the years I was a member of the Yahoo Colt Case Ingersoll forum, I saw photos of several attempts at building Articulated units. I don't recall seeing even ONE that came close to Dan's, Bob's or that Bolens/Case. I'm not slamming them either. I'm simply making a comparison between something that looks factory made and something that obviously came out of someone's back yard.
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I think you have finally gotten through to me Tom. The turning point was when you mentioned something in an earlier post about picking one's self back up after getting knocked down a few times.
That and some other wise words. Yep, I have a whole new outlook about this stuff these days. Thank You Sir. :trink: :trink: :trink:
That and some other wise words. Yep, I have a whole new outlook about this stuff these days. Thank You Sir. :trink: :trink: :trink:
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Me, neither.Stewart said:
PS-Like the new hat. :thumbup:
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I couldn't see them either, but I pulled them up manually and it's the tractor that tractorchick is looking for the owner of in this thread.
Something odd about this - the post looks to be formatted correctly, but you don't get the image. Once I looked at the pics manually and they were cached, they started showing up on this page.
Something odd about this - the post looks to be formatted correctly, but you don't get the image. Once I looked at the pics manually and they were cached, they started showing up on this page.
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