[BushBoneYard]

Re: Name 1 thing you wish Case would have done differently..

I can remember Homer carrying Scott's for at least one year. My reaction was.... who in heck is Scott's? It wasn't until much later that I found out Deere was behind that brand.

Just as a footnote, the first two years of Scotts tractors were made by Murray.

 

[1031d]

Re: Name 1 thing you wish Case would have done differently..

Seems to me that most of the newer garbage made today funnels back to mtd and the only real GT's around are Ingersoll and junk deere. Simplicity used to be a good company but since Briggs&Stratton took over they have gone the cheap way. I've been around Simplicity's all my life. Seems they are also the same as agco mf and snapper now too. That leaves ingy and jd being the only who dont make things under 40 different names.

 

[Nutcase446]

Re: Name 1 thing you wish Case would have done differently..

Tom, At least in this country I know that dealer consolidation has already happened everywhere but the North east. There is a 80 location Case dealer in the mid west (Titan Tractor). There are no Case dealers to consolidate in New England. They don't seem to care about the under 50HP market which is what dealers survive on here.

Deere is doing some things here that I don't understand. Two years ago they signed a deal with Stihl that all Deere dealers could take on Stihl. Two months ago they signed a similar deal with Honda OPE and Generators. Have you seen this in Canada? I can't figure what is in it for Deere. Some have suggested that Deere wants to follow the big box store model.

On a side note (or maybe not) the first year that John Deere branded machines were sold in Home Depot, sales of JD branded L&G went from 30,000 units to 250,000 units. I don't see it ever happening but maybe BBY and Grummy are on to something.

 

[Hydriv]

Re: Name 1 thing you wish Case would have done differently..

It's been about 2 years since I've been inside a Deere dealership so I have no current information on which to base a reply. Obviously, terrain and weather dictates the size of machines sold. If fields are small and hilly, then there is no need for 350 HP tractors that can pull 40 foot wide implements. If I get a chance, I'll stop in to Hutchinson Farm Supply and ask what's going on.

 

[WVshooter]

Re: Name 1 thing you wish Case would have done differently..

I would say Deere adding Stihl and Honda to the showrooms is more of a dealer perk.

It's not likely that someone looking for a weedeater will end up buying a Deere LGT, however, the dealers are getting to sell "top of the line" equipment across the board to Joe Homeowner, along with servicing said equipment. They also know that they can charge more to service this stuff because Mr. Homeowner already pays more to have his SUV serviced at the Toyota dealership.

All in all, it may benefit the parent company, but I'd say the dealers are reaping most of the benefits of this arrangement.

 

[Nutcase446]

Re: Name 1 thing you wish Case would have done differently..

I agree with that assessment. That is what is confusing. Deere has gone out of their way to push short line companies out of their dealer ships in the last few years. They want the dealers to sell the Frontier line which is other companies products painted JD green. A few years back they tries to get into the ATV market with the Bombardier line but they were labeled JD. In these cases they control it and make a profit as well as use the JD name. Maybe you are right in that it is a way to draw customers or maybe Deere gets a cut from Honda or Stihl.

 

[1031d]

Re: Name 1 thing you wish Case would have done differently..

The rebadging game has been going on for decades. CASE bought most of their hay equipment from Hesston, tillage from Oliver and Glencoe. The jd frontier line is mostly Rhino. I priced a new box scraper for the farm and between the Rhino, jd and frontier there was about $500 difference with frontier being cheapest. I went to TSC and bought one for $400 less than the frontier.

 

[Nutcase446]

Re: Name 1 thing you wish Case would have done differently..

I understand how JD makes money rebadging (they are just another link in the food chain) but this is a little different. Frontier has some Rhino, some low end Woods, the rotary cutters are Midwest (3rd supplier in 5 years) , the rakes, tedders and chippers are Pequea, some Befco, small manure spreaders by Millcreek etc. At one time wasn't Deere an implement manufacturing company?
I see that you are a MM enthusiast. Now there is a tractor that was built too well.

There are a lot of thoughts in this thread about what could we wish CCI could have done different. What if all of the old companies that built heavy duty GTs had merged and decided to build a better GT rather than sell out and build a cheaper GT. Imagine the best of Ariens, Graveley, Case, Simplicty. Power King, Wheel Horse and Bolens in one tractor.

 

[1031d]

Re: Name 1 thing you wish Case would have done differently..

Thats part of the prpblem today, nobody gives a shit about quality. If a plastic and stamped junk deere was $50 less than a Hydriv people would still buy them hand over fist. I myself would rather buy something once than buy 5. My MM's are built like a freight train. The rod bearings in my 1953 UTS LP fit around a beer can and are almost 4" wide. They just dont wear out. My neighbor thinks that his 50hp kubota can do the same work. Sometimes I loan him equipment just to laugh at him when he can't move it.

 

[Hydriv]

Re: Name 1 thing you wish Case would have done differently..

I would like to be able to leave the deck drive belt in place and remove the deck. I realy can't stand having to thread that belt between the fan and cooler each time I take the deck off. Anyone have any ideas on how to accomplish this?

I've said it a million times: the "radiator" fan on the pto clutch, since it doesn't have a shroud, isn't doing much but swishing air around. Not that it seems to really hurt anything, but still. I think it would be easy to fabricate a shroud for that fan and throw a couple loops/clips on its perimeter to act as belt keepers when you don't have the deck attached.

Bob

There were millions of cars and trucks made that never had any form of fan shroud. Chevrolet began installing them in the late 50's when they had a huge space between the fan and the rad. There was no way they could put a fan spacer on the water pump that was long enough to bring the fan within an inch or so of the rad.

There is no doubt in my mind that the OEM fan on the CCI tractors work and are necessary. If they were not needed, then Winneconne would not have put them on. Without one, you run the risk of too high of an oil temperature and that leads to hose deterioration and oil breakdown. Good luck with installing a shroud and still having the ability to install drive belts. I'm looking forward to seeing an article in the Workshop forum showing us how this can be accomplished. :thumbsup:

 

[Nutcase446]

Re: Name 1 thing you wish Case would have done differently..

You could make 3 50hp Kubotas with the metal in you MM. Kubota is trying to crack the bigger ag market but their 108 HP tractor only weighs 6000 pounds. I'm sure that they will figure out that it takes more than HP to pull a plow....

 

[1031d]

Re: Name 1 thing you wish Case would have done differently..

The big tractor on my farm is a 1968 CASE 1030. 101.9 PTO hp. 451ci. It pulls 6-16 plow 8" deep and weights around 14,000. The next down the food chain is a 1955 CASE 400 diesel. 55hp. 251ci. 7500 pounds of cast iron. Pulls 4-16's. The other neighbor's newer kubota cab tractor has 80+ hp but wont move a 4 bottom unless he uses 4wd. Just one more thing to wear out and mine are paid for.

 

[creekhed1]

Re: Name 1 thing you wish Case would have done differently..

This is what I mean group, put this on the floor, not an option loaded High wheel.

What's this with deck...$5,000? A x300 Deere is $3,000 and can't do a damn thing my $1,200 Craftsman won't do. Put this on Homers floor and they will sell. Make the entire line available via special order.

I guess I have yanked this thread of course, but it is somewhat related to the op's question, it's just what I think they should do different now.

Hey....THATS MY OLD 3016!!!!!

DAMN I miss that thing!!!!

 

[creekhed1]

Re: Name 1 thing you wish Case would have done differently..

Grrrr....
Anyway... back to topic...

I cant believe no one said...

FOOT HYDRO!
and no...I dont consider the current 4200 series a true foot hydro.

AND>.... speaking of Ingy's "Foot Hydro"....and just to piss everyone off...
I was at an auction (With VERY LITTLE MONEY) last week and a BRAND NEW (5 hrs Demo)4218 sold for...are you ready????
$3500!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Someone got a STEAL!

 

[BushBoneYard]

Re: Name 1 thing you wish Case would have done differently..

Hey....THATS MY OLD 3016!!!!!

DAMN I miss that thing!!!!

I thought that it looked familiar :wave:

 

[ljones]

Re: Name 1 thing you wish Case would have done differently..

Based on the idea that thy could improve the steering radius a stretched frame would be nice to add some extra space, a rear diff locker, and a diesel engine with a better parts network like a kubota d600. As far as I know Deere was the only company to put a rear differential locker on a lgt the owners I spoke too that have them say it is the best thing ever.

 

[Mjoe7]

Re: Name 1 thing you wish Case would have done differently..

A Diesel engine would be nice. The fuel economy would be 100 X better.
A locker rear would be super awesome! Especially for moldboard plowing.
My dad has a Case 530 Diesel and with the diff. locked and a couple wheel weights it pulls a 3X14 trailer plow pretty well. That's in not so favorable ground. For those that know plowing will know pulling a trailer plow is much harder than a 3 point mounted plow. So my point is it would really help in many uses for a GT.

Is there a way to make it a positive traction? Could a guy bolt the two halves together or weld? I guess I could say good-bye to turning then. :lol:

 

[WVshooter]

Re: Name 1 thing you wish Case would have done differently..

Diesel is nice, but prices are up for fuel now and if you think rebuilding carbs has gotten more expensive, try having an injection pump rebuilt. Also, the extra weight up front wouldn't help the manual steering setup.

The best part would be the economy and the torque, though.

I agree that a locker or just independant rear brakes would be the bee's knees.

All in all I can't complain much about my tractors.

 

[Bill.H]

Re: Name 1 thing you wish Case would have done differently..

I don't think I'd want a diesel for this application. First is the .50/gal price difference combined with not having anything else that uses diesel fuel. More torque wouldn't get you anything unless you were mowing deep wet grass or trying to blow really deep snow and didn't have the time to slow down.
But the biggest concern is storing fuel (and starting the tractor!) during really cold periods (negative F).

 

[InTroubleAlltheTime]

Re: Name 1 thing you wish Case would have done differently..

Are we talking strictly Case, just to mention, we did have two diesel model Ingersolls in the past. :thumbsup:
:222: :446: Best Regards, Rich