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Nice looking 446.I wish people would put wanted price in the ads because I hate putting a price on someone else's stuff.Maybe that's just me.As he says,the worst he could do is say no if it is not enough . But what if you offer more than they were expecting,do you suppose someone would say "No that's too much ,offer me less"?Not too likely.
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I look it this way if I offer to buy something for X amount of dollars to me that is what it is worth, and if he would have accepted 1/2 X dollars it is not his fault. I bought a 54" blade, the fellow asked me what I would give him for it, I said $20.00 he said it was way to low, he needed at least $25.00. I bought it. If somebody offers the seller $100.00 dollars, n ow we have a starting point, go from there. :trink:
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Those are all good questions, Maynard. So let's see if you like my answer. :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh:
What you do is this. You come to a forum, such as this one, and you ask for "opinions" about the tractor itself and what the value would be. After all, if YOU don't know what the value is, then how else are you going to find out? There is no "Blue Book" or "Black Book" that is readily available to Joe Average. And even if you do check in some printed guide, it isn't all that helpful.
Why? Because those guides are too vague. Condition of the tractor is paramount. Photos give US a good idea about condition and that gives US an edge over any guide.
Location also matters because a tractor sitting half and hour away from where you live is worth more to YOU than one that is 30 hours away. Shipping costs must be factored in.
So, let's say YOU brought that tractor to this forum and asked for opinions. Here's what I would say.
This appears to be either a 1972 or early 73 446 that is in really, really nice, all-original condition because even the original seat is still there. It has the Speaker 777's in it. This tractor would make a great collector unit or work unit.
Since the Seller is just "fishing", then the smart thing to do is to go in cheap. Offer him $350.00 for it. Personally, I think that it's worth $500.00 because of the condition but that would depend on the engine. If it smokes or has a broken rod, then $350.00 is tops.
He's asked for an offer. A lot of people will react just like you did and won't even make an offer. That's a good thing for those who are not shy. Make a low-ball offer and see what his reaction is. Maybe he'll accept and you end up with a bargain. Maybe he'll laugh and tell you to get lost. That would be a stupid move on his part.
He's the one who set things up this way so he should not get offended by low-ball offers. Now if he counters with "$1000.00 would be more like it", then you know that there's too much space between the two of you but you don't give up. Instead, you politely tell him that it would surprise you if anyone would pay him anywhere close to that amount but you'd like to leave your phone number with him in case he does not get an offer. Tell him that you'd be willing to come up some, providing the engine checks out but no where near his valuation.
You never know....... The tractor is for sale because he wants it gone. Someone has to make that happen. Don't piss him off. Just work with him calmly. Many people want big bucks but when a week goes by and nothing happens, they will come back and try to make a deal with someone they know to be seriously interested.
YOUR job is to make that person understand that YOU are a serious buyer that has the cash and the trailer needed to take the tractor away. YOU need to sell yourself to this person. There are plenty of tire kickers out there. There are plenty of people who will make an appointment to see the tractor and then not show up. Sellers get fed up quickly with these people and just want to put an end to it.
One way I convince people that I'm a serious buyer is to ask them if they have a Paypal account. I tell them that I'm prepared to Paypal them a deposit on the tractor RIGHT NOW if we can make a deal over the phone. Money talks, bullshit walks.
What you do is this. You come to a forum, such as this one, and you ask for "opinions" about the tractor itself and what the value would be. After all, if YOU don't know what the value is, then how else are you going to find out? There is no "Blue Book" or "Black Book" that is readily available to Joe Average. And even if you do check in some printed guide, it isn't all that helpful.
Why? Because those guides are too vague. Condition of the tractor is paramount. Photos give US a good idea about condition and that gives US an edge over any guide.
Location also matters because a tractor sitting half and hour away from where you live is worth more to YOU than one that is 30 hours away. Shipping costs must be factored in.
So, let's say YOU brought that tractor to this forum and asked for opinions. Here's what I would say.
This appears to be either a 1972 or early 73 446 that is in really, really nice, all-original condition because even the original seat is still there. It has the Speaker 777's in it. This tractor would make a great collector unit or work unit.
Since the Seller is just "fishing", then the smart thing to do is to go in cheap. Offer him $350.00 for it. Personally, I think that it's worth $500.00 because of the condition but that would depend on the engine. If it smokes or has a broken rod, then $350.00 is tops.
He's asked for an offer. A lot of people will react just like you did and won't even make an offer. That's a good thing for those who are not shy. Make a low-ball offer and see what his reaction is. Maybe he'll accept and you end up with a bargain. Maybe he'll laugh and tell you to get lost. That would be a stupid move on his part.
He's the one who set things up this way so he should not get offended by low-ball offers. Now if he counters with "$1000.00 would be more like it", then you know that there's too much space between the two of you but you don't give up. Instead, you politely tell him that it would surprise you if anyone would pay him anywhere close to that amount but you'd like to leave your phone number with him in case he does not get an offer. Tell him that you'd be willing to come up some, providing the engine checks out but no where near his valuation.
You never know....... The tractor is for sale because he wants it gone. Someone has to make that happen. Don't piss him off. Just work with him calmly. Many people want big bucks but when a week goes by and nothing happens, they will come back and try to make a deal with someone they know to be seriously interested.
YOUR job is to make that person understand that YOU are a serious buyer that has the cash and the trailer needed to take the tractor away. YOU need to sell yourself to this person. There are plenty of tire kickers out there. There are plenty of people who will make an appointment to see the tractor and then not show up. Sellers get fed up quickly with these people and just want to put an end to it.
One way I convince people that I'm a serious buyer is to ask them if they have a Paypal account. I tell them that I'm prepared to Paypal them a deposit on the tractor RIGHT NOW if we can make a deal over the phone. Money talks, bullshit walks.
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I've seen the Grounds Maintenance Equipment Bluebook http://www.pricedigests.com/other/groun ... ipbook.htm spoken of a few times among JD guys. Most recently they were talking about a good running 318 and the guy said that it would book for $267 - $645. Even one of you guys that think your allergic to green should jump on that deal. I wish it was more readily available to sellers.
Everything else is spot on Tom but I wish you wouldn't teach everyone all the good tricks like PP.
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Everything else is spot on Tom but I wish you wouldn't teach everyone all the good tricks like PP.
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If you guys would recall this tractor was on ebay recently with a hydraulic issue - it loses power once warmed up.
I inquired about it as it did not sell on ebay, I was after the blower and then would just add the tractor to my collection, she also had other inquiries but had not sold it as of earlier in the week and said she would call me or email me if it sold.
I couldn't get to right away because I had the stomach flu and once I was over it I would have to get back to work. she emailed me Thursday with the news it was gone - this is sad what this guy is up to who knows - to make a few bucks?
I will inquire with him and see what he says.
I inquired about it as it did not sell on ebay, I was after the blower and then would just add the tractor to my collection, she also had other inquiries but had not sold it as of earlier in the week and said she would call me or email me if it sold.
I couldn't get to right away because I had the stomach flu and once I was over it I would have to get back to work. she emailed me Thursday with the news it was gone - this is sad what this guy is up to who knows - to make a few bucks?
I will inquire with him and see what he says.
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I did contact him and did not let him know that I was aware of the recent history of it, I offered him $400 for the tractor and $150 for the snowcaster. He responded that he thought that was a little low and had offer's over $800 and wanted to know what I had to sweeten the offer, I related to him I had LGT's of various makes and models and inquired "what are you after?" I have not heard back from him.NutCASE said:
One more thing I had offered the PO $700 over the phone and she told me she had offers of $800 contingent upon their inspection, so we know it did not sell under $700.
Keep in mind I'm just toying with him at this point, unless I could could get a great deal I won't help him out.
Seems to me that his guy is just playing silly buggers. Anyone who is serious about selling an item doesn't want to prolong the exercise. You tell people to jump in their car and come see the tractor. The first person there with CASH, gets the tractor but you make the deal over the phone ahead of time.
To me, he sounds like a classic waste of time.
To me, he sounds like a classic waste of time.
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