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Restored 1965 Case 130 Garden Tractor - $1200 Weirton, WV
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Re: Restored 1965 Case 130 Garden Tractor - $1200 Weirton, W
Those who have "read" me for a long time, know that there are two words that I have trouble with.
1. REBUILT
2. RESTORED
Both words are highly subjective.
In this instance, the word "restored" has been used. Overall, the tractor does look nice but it is not 100 percent "correct". The pepper pot muffler is perhaps forgivable because those old style of mufflers have been tough to find until recently when Steve Guider began having them made. TO ME, what is not forgivable is the 130 decals on the side of this tractor because Case never marked the 130 or the 180 this way. So when I see a glaring but minor error in the "restoration", it makes me question what other mistakes were made while carrying out the work?
Before some of you jump all over me on this, allow me to remind you that the gentleman is asking $1200.00 for it. Now I don't know about you but if I'm expected to pay that much money for his tractor, then I don't think that I should have to tear it down again and correct errors. If he says that it has been restored, then I expect that he has taken it all apart, media blasted everything to bare metal, replaced all worn parts, repaired all the minor things such as bent sheet metal, used the correct paint and decals etc so that it is identical to the day it left that factory. Anything less is not a true restoration.
Anything less also means that he's asking way too much money.
Just an opinion.
You are entitled to disagree.
Those who have "read" me for a long time, know that there are two words that I have trouble with.
1. REBUILT
2. RESTORED
Both words are highly subjective.
In this instance, the word "restored" has been used. Overall, the tractor does look nice but it is not 100 percent "correct". The pepper pot muffler is perhaps forgivable because those old style of mufflers have been tough to find until recently when Steve Guider began having them made. TO ME, what is not forgivable is the 130 decals on the side of this tractor because Case never marked the 130 or the 180 this way. So when I see a glaring but minor error in the "restoration", it makes me question what other mistakes were made while carrying out the work?
Before some of you jump all over me on this, allow me to remind you that the gentleman is asking $1200.00 for it. Now I don't know about you but if I'm expected to pay that much money for his tractor, then I don't think that I should have to tear it down again and correct errors. If he says that it has been restored, then I expect that he has taken it all apart, media blasted everything to bare metal, replaced all worn parts, repaired all the minor things such as bent sheet metal, used the correct paint and decals etc so that it is identical to the day it left that factory. Anything less is not a true restoration.
Anything less also means that he's asking way too much money.
Just an opinion.
You are entitled to disagree.
Re: Restored 1965 Case 130 Garden Tractor - $1200 Weirton, W
I was wondering how long it would be before someone noticed that mistake. :sidelaugh:
It's the stuff like that which makes you question the quality of the entire "restoration". Did this man not take photos of the tractor before he took it apart? Did he not obtain a parts manual? How about sales literature?
If you intend to restore something like this, then reference materials are important so you get it "right".
I was wondering how long it would be before someone noticed that mistake. :sidelaugh:
It's the stuff like that which makes you question the quality of the entire "restoration". Did this man not take photos of the tractor before he took it apart? Did he not obtain a parts manual? How about sales literature?
If you intend to restore something like this, then reference materials are important so you get it "right".
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Re: Restored 1965 Case 130 Garden Tractor - $1200 Weirton, W
http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/grd/2182277179.html
He is now down to a mere $1100.00.
I think I will wait till he gets down to less than half his asking price, or untill he corrects those side grill panels. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/grd/2182277179.html
He is now down to a mere $1100.00.
I think I will wait till he gets down to less than half his asking price, or untill he corrects those side grill panels. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Re: Restored 1965 Case 130 Garden Tractor - $1200 Weirton, W
My guess is that he did not get a single call from anyone who was wanting to buy it. He may have got a few from people that were wondering if the asking price was a misprint.
IMO..... he has a marketing problem.
There are two types of people out there.
One type is the person that knows nothing about the hobby and is just looking for a machine to cut their grass. They will be turned off by the price, the age and the fact that it's a brand that isn't as well-placed these days as John Deere.
The 2nd type is the person that is in the hobby. Most of these people prefer to conduct their own restorations and they are reluctant to pay that kind of money for a tractor that has apparently not been correctly restored.
I think that we will see further price reductions take place before it gets sold.
My guess is that he did not get a single call from anyone who was wanting to buy it. He may have got a few from people that were wondering if the asking price was a misprint.
IMO..... he has a marketing problem.
There are two types of people out there.
One type is the person that knows nothing about the hobby and is just looking for a machine to cut their grass. They will be turned off by the price, the age and the fact that it's a brand that isn't as well-placed these days as John Deere.
The 2nd type is the person that is in the hobby. Most of these people prefer to conduct their own restorations and they are reluctant to pay that kind of money for a tractor that has apparently not been correctly restored.
I think that we will see further price reductions take place before it gets sold.
Re: Restored 1965 Case 130 Garden Tractor - $1200 Weirton, W
Greetings!
I just found this post. I am new to the hobby. I was the person that bought this tractor. I was going to use it to cut grass, but decided it was too much of a piece of history to use it for grass, and thought I would show it and share it with the public. Needless to say I want the tractor to be a "restored" tractor as true to the day it rolled off the line as possible. I will be fixing the side grills as soon as I have a few minutes free, but I would like to ask anyone who has pictures of style of tractor done correctly to please send me some pictures so I can compare and fix the little errors that are annoying to the collectors of this beautiful American machinery.
The paint codes I was given are Flambu Red code 71282 or 70138 and Desert Sunset code 81357 both Pitzler paints, are these right or close to right?
Thanks for the help!
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Greetings!
I just found this post. I am new to the hobby. I was the person that bought this tractor. I was going to use it to cut grass, but decided it was too much of a piece of history to use it for grass, and thought I would show it and share it with the public. Needless to say I want the tractor to be a "restored" tractor as true to the day it rolled off the line as possible. I will be fixing the side grills as soon as I have a few minutes free, but I would like to ask anyone who has pictures of style of tractor done correctly to please send me some pictures so I can compare and fix the little errors that are annoying to the collectors of this beautiful American machinery.
The paint codes I was given are Flambu Red code 71282 or 70138 and Desert Sunset code 81357 both Pitzler paints, are these right or close to right?
Thanks for the help!
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Re: Restored 1965 Case 130 Garden Tractor - $1200 Weirton, W
Welcome. :thumbup:
Go to the home page of this forum http://www.casecoltingersoll.com/ and click on History. Then click on Case 100 series tractors and the original brochure will be down loaded for you to see lots of pictures. :thumbup:
Welcome. :thumbup:
Go to the home page of this forum http://www.casecoltingersoll.com/ and click on History. Then click on Case 100 series tractors and the original brochure will be down loaded for you to see lots of pictures. :thumbup:
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Re: Restored 1965 Case 130 Garden Tractor - $1200 Weirton, W
As stated above look at the History section, and the parts manual. If you have any more questions let us know. A number of members have 130s and will be glad to help.
Flambeau Red is the correct name. The paint Mfgr is Ditzler. Many of us use Tisco brand Flambeau, but a large number use Power Red. An important point to remember is that if you intend to add other tractors to your collection ( you will. No one can stop at one) you should be consistent with the red you choose as there is a noticeable difference when they are sitting next to each other. The Desert Sunset is available from Tisco but many of us use Case IH paint that is available from big tractor IH-Case dealers. These are quality paints that look fantastic when a good hardener is added. My local New Holland Dealer handles Tisco paints. Some members here have had good luck with mail order.
As to what you may have paid for the tractor, forget it. What is important is that you are the owner and we have a new member.
Don't feel bad about your purchase at all. You have stumbled upon a group that often appears overly critical of items offered for sale. That doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things. What does matter is that you are the proud owner of a very nice example of a Case 130. If it matters, you will be able to silence all of the critics with a minimum of work.thegray said:
As stated above look at the History section, and the parts manual. If you have any more questions let us know. A number of members have 130s and will be glad to help.
Flambeau Red is the correct name. The paint Mfgr is Ditzler. Many of us use Tisco brand Flambeau, but a large number use Power Red. An important point to remember is that if you intend to add other tractors to your collection ( you will. No one can stop at one) you should be consistent with the red you choose as there is a noticeable difference when they are sitting next to each other. The Desert Sunset is available from Tisco but many of us use Case IH paint that is available from big tractor IH-Case dealers. These are quality paints that look fantastic when a good hardener is added. My local New Holland Dealer handles Tisco paints. Some members here have had good luck with mail order.
As to what you may have paid for the tractor, forget it. What is important is that you are the owner and we have a new member.
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Re: Restored 1965 Case 130 Garden Tractor - $1200 Weirton, W
To the buyer and new member, welcome.
I live very close to where this one was for sale. Right now there is a Case 155 across the river from weirton,WV.
(Wintersville,Oh is about 5 miles from Weirton.)
If you came down from Cleveland for the 130....maybe you would want to check the 155 out?
(I have no connection with either seller, but they are both in my back yard)
http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/grd/3231718488.html
John
To the buyer and new member, welcome.
I live very close to where this one was for sale. Right now there is a Case 155 across the river from weirton,WV.
(Wintersville,Oh is about 5 miles from Weirton.)
If you came down from Cleveland for the 130....maybe you would want to check the 155 out?
(I have no connection with either seller, but they are both in my back yard)
http://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/grd/3231718488.html
John
Re: Restored 1965 Case 130 Garden Tractor - $1200 Weirton, W
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Here's why he shouldn't waste his time.n8ghz said:
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Re: Restored 1965 Case 130 Garden Tractor - $1200 Weirton, W
in my outspoken opinion, these tractors were designed to be used. most all of the wear-parts are still available. mowing a little grass once a week may cause new wear and take some of the show-room sparkle off of it, but to me, that just gives it a bit of authenticity. it's your toy you decide where and how to play with it. remember that he who dies with the mostest and bestest toys wins!
restore; make it just like it was.
rebuild; take it apart and put it back together better.
reconstruct; using available information to get as close to original as resources allow.
repair; make it work the way you intend it to.
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welcome! some of us tend to come off as arrogant or dissmissive of what is a serious effort on the part of someone less initiated. don't let that get in the way of you having your share of the fun!
in my outspoken opinion, these tractors were designed to be used. most all of the wear-parts are still available. mowing a little grass once a week may cause new wear and take some of the show-room sparkle off of it, but to me, that just gives it a bit of authenticity. it's your toy you decide where and how to play with it. remember that he who dies with the mostest and bestest toys wins!
restore; make it just like it was.
rebuild; take it apart and put it back together better.
reconstruct; using available information to get as close to original as resources allow.
repair; make it work the way you intend it to.
:wave:
welcome! some of us tend to come off as arrogant or dissmissive of what is a serious effort on the part of someone less initiated. don't let that get in the way of you having your share of the fun!
Re: Restored 1965 Case 130 Garden Tractor - $1200 Weirton, W
Fundamentally, I don't disagree with you. But here is the HOWEVER.
Parts for the 120, 130, 150, 155, 180, 190 and 195 models ARE beginning to dry up as days go by. More and more of these are being sent to the scrap yard or parted out. In addition, trying to find decent attachments for them is also getting tougher, especially when you consider that most of the attachments are specific to the models.
Secondly, you cannot dismiss the issue of the "well-spent dollar". Spending a G-note or more on 45 year old tractor just so you can mow your lawn is....in my opinion, rather foolish, unless money doesn't matter to you. To most of the members of this forum, money spent matters a helluva lot. We have all kinds of members who are either out of work or under-employed or their spouse is out of work or under-employed. In other words, their gross family income is a far cry from what it used to be prior to the turn of the century.
When I post comments about the offerings here, I try to keep all of that in mind. If someone is new to CCI tractors, then they need to be guided as to how best to spend their money. Buying some old 100 Series is fine if you want a show/parade tractor to play with but buying a 1971 or later 200/400 model is a far better choice for those in need of a workhorse with readily available, low cost attachments.
Fundamentally, I don't disagree with you. But here is the HOWEVER.
Parts for the 120, 130, 150, 155, 180, 190 and 195 models ARE beginning to dry up as days go by. More and more of these are being sent to the scrap yard or parted out. In addition, trying to find decent attachments for them is also getting tougher, especially when you consider that most of the attachments are specific to the models.
Secondly, you cannot dismiss the issue of the "well-spent dollar". Spending a G-note or more on 45 year old tractor just so you can mow your lawn is....in my opinion, rather foolish, unless money doesn't matter to you. To most of the members of this forum, money spent matters a helluva lot. We have all kinds of members who are either out of work or under-employed or their spouse is out of work or under-employed. In other words, their gross family income is a far cry from what it used to be prior to the turn of the century.
When I post comments about the offerings here, I try to keep all of that in mind. If someone is new to CCI tractors, then they need to be guided as to how best to spend their money. Buying some old 100 Series is fine if you want a show/parade tractor to play with but buying a 1971 or later 200/400 model is a far better choice for those in need of a workhorse with readily available, low cost attachments.
Re: Restored 1965 Case 130 Garden Tractor - $1200 Weirton, W
Well, I am not in the market for a new project at the moment. I am looking for a steering wheel cap as well as time permits, are reproductions okay to use, or should I look for an original?
But on a side note-- most new lawn tractors, for cutting grass, I priced last year when I bought one are running 2000-4000 dollars for good one that can get the job done in a hurry. But, I agree with hydriv that an old tractor that parts are disappearing it is not the best way to spend my hard earned dollars. I really do appreciate your looking out for the new members, hydriv!
Also, I appreciate everyone's feedback and suggestions! You have made the new guy feel welcome. I will post some pictures of the tractor once I fix the panel errors to have more help with the corrections I need to make.
Well, I am not in the market for a new project at the moment. I am looking for a steering wheel cap as well as time permits, are reproductions okay to use, or should I look for an original?
But on a side note-- most new lawn tractors, for cutting grass, I priced last year when I bought one are running 2000-4000 dollars for good one that can get the job done in a hurry. But, I agree with hydriv that an old tractor that parts are disappearing it is not the best way to spend my hard earned dollars. I really do appreciate your looking out for the new members, hydriv!
Also, I appreciate everyone's feedback and suggestions! You have made the new guy feel welcome. I will post some pictures of the tractor once I fix the panel errors to have more help with the corrections I need to make.
Re: Restored 1965 Case 130 Garden Tractor - $1200 Weirton, W
Please go to the FAQ's and find the document "Where to buy STUFF". Scroll down to the PARTS/Reproduction. We have two resident members that deal in such items. Yes, repro parts are fine because waiting for a NOS (new old stock) steering wheel cap to show up could take years and cost stupid money as well.
The only grass cutters that can get the job done fast are known as ZTR's. Garden tractors (other than Sears or Dixon) are priced well over the 5 G mark and I don't consider Sears or Dixons to be true GT's. No lawn tractor, yard tractor or garden tractor has the ground speed of a commercial ZTR. If you want one of them to cut the acreage faster, then you slap on the widest deck they offer and then tug a Trail Mower behind you on the offset.
If you actually wanted a project, this one would be a much better choice than that 155.
viewtopic.php?f=30&t=6537
More likely than not, the seller would take the first Benjamin waved under his nose and call it a day.
Why strip down a $1000 tractor when you can strip down a $100.00 one?
Please go to the FAQ's and find the document "Where to buy STUFF". Scroll down to the PARTS/Reproduction. We have two resident members that deal in such items. Yes, repro parts are fine because waiting for a NOS (new old stock) steering wheel cap to show up could take years and cost stupid money as well.
The only grass cutters that can get the job done fast are known as ZTR's. Garden tractors (other than Sears or Dixon) are priced well over the 5 G mark and I don't consider Sears or Dixons to be true GT's. No lawn tractor, yard tractor or garden tractor has the ground speed of a commercial ZTR. If you want one of them to cut the acreage faster, then you slap on the widest deck they offer and then tug a Trail Mower behind you on the offset.
If you actually wanted a project, this one would be a much better choice than that 155.
viewtopic.php?f=30&t=6537
More likely than not, the seller would take the first Benjamin waved under his nose and call it a day.
Why strip down a $1000 tractor when you can strip down a $100.00 one?
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