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Here's a typical listing. The Seller posts ONE photo only and all he has to say about the tractor is this.

Great project, older, heavy duty tractor

Call Ken: 503 434 1888


If a newbie joins this forum, how would he go about evaluating that listing?

If he is totally unfamiliar with Case tractors, would he know that tiller is not the 41" model?

Would he know that the tiller is still worth at least $250.00 ?

Would he know that this tractor has a sleeve hitch worth another $125.00?

Would he know that this tractor has a rear PTO kit worth another $150.00?

And how about those wheel weights you pointed out. Isn't he entitled to be told that those are worth $125.00 per pair and that there may be two pair on those rims?

Isn't it helpful for him to be told that the tractor appears to be a 1973 to 1975 vintage?

It should be pretty obvious from the listing that the Seller is mostly clueless about what he's selling so how is a newbie to learn about values and other factors that will affect his decision to buy or pass on this tractor?

People want to know the specifics about THIS specific tractor. Those who don't know these tractors don't see what you and I see. All they see is an old tractor with a ratty seat and the guy wants $600.00 for it. In their eyes, that's way too much until someone like me explains to them why this tractor is a pretty good buy at that price. Now... where's the downside? In this instance, the Seller gets to sell his tractor and the Buyer gets a good deal.
 

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So unfortunate the hood was left open and the hydraulic tank filled with water. After many years of none use both the drive motor and tiller motor are seized. The balance gears have let go and a small hole is in the block. Should I continue.. or have you just told a newbie to buy an anchor?
 

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cl_leg said:
So unfortunate the hood was left open and the hydraulic tank filled with water. After many years of none use both the drive motor and tiller motor are seized. The balance gears have let go and a small hole is in the block. Should I continue.. or have you just told a newbie to buy an anchor?
Gee. You really seem to be on the defensive.

First off, the listing has a phone number. Any member could call the Seller and ask him some questions such as

-is this a running tractor?

- if not, when did it run last?

- have you tried to get it running?

- is there anything major wrong with it?

So let's say that the Seller provides information that satisfies the member enough that s/he decides to go and see the tractor. Even if the hood was left open and water entered the hydraulic tank, that isn't a big deal and it's easily discovered just by dipping the tank with a stick.

I don't buy into your statement about the drive motor and the tiller motor being seized from none use. Both motors are immersed in oil. You can see in the photo that the hydraulic hose has been looped. When I left the Yahoo forum, there were 88,000 posts on that site dating back to 1999. I have read every single one of them at least twice. I personally purged the first 5000 posts by myself to eliminate the junk. There has never been a single post about a seized drive motor on anything.

If the engine was blown, then the Seller would be pretty stupid to not state that in his ad.

You seem to be rather frustrated about all of this and are now grasping at straws to try and prove some point that continues to elude all of us.
 
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