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I have belonged to a previous Case group and not ago long joined this one. I use them mainly to maintain my Case tractors. I must say there are many great prople willing to help out.
But since joining this group and reading most of the posts I feel we should rename it. Umm let me think, lets call it "Mastiff finds it, Hydriv bashes it"
WTF??
Seriously, take a look at the posts. I have just read the latest 10 pages and most of the postings should be deleted as the ads are obsolete.

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Mehh,
I like Mastiff's posting....brought a 118 to my attention that was down the street from a buddy of mine.
Tom's bashing, well I think it makes for a good reference point for buyers. It points out plenty of useful things to look for that can influence price. BushBoneYard kindly posts the pictures of most of them (that don't disappear), so the pics with the commentary is a useful reference to me.
 

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cl_leg said:
I have belonged to a previous Case group and not ago long joined this one. I use them mainly to maintain my Case tractors. I must say there are many great prople willing to help out.
But since joining this group and reading most of the posts I feel we should rename it. Umm let me think, lets call it "Mastiff finds it, Hydriv bashes it"
WTF??
Seriously, take a look at the posts. I have just read the latest 10 pages and most of the postings should be deleted as the ads are obsolete.

Chris
Chris,
Currently, there are over 500 members on this site who apparently are here because they have an interest in these tractors in one way or the other. About all MastiffLawyer, Snotrocket and myself can to is to provide all those people with an orderly place to post problems about their tractors. The three of us are powerless to force anyone to create threads on the site. That isn't our job and you won't find the management at MTF, Yahoo or TractorbyNet etc doing it either.

Yes, we do openly discuss listings that are on e-Bay and Craigslist and when Mastiff finds them and places them here, they are very much fresh listings. Several members have found tractors or other items as a result of Mastiff's efforts. And yes, I do conduct a critique of what's been found because many members have no idea whether the asking price is too high, average or an incredible deal. If what I write is truly bashing, then my critique must be wrong. Please feel free to post your own thoughts about such listings and explain to everyone exactly how my summation is incorrect.

Would we like to see far more tractor issues under discussion here? Absolutely. But if people such as yourself are unwilling to begin such threads, then you are part of the problem and not part of the solution that you feel you would like to see. As an example, I see that you have been a member here since January 10th but the above is only the third time you have posted. Currently, every Case forum is slow and I have no real explanation as to why. Spring is here. Owners should be thinking about the coming lawn cutting season and getting equipment ready. As you stated, this forum is populated with a good number of very knowledgeable people who are ready, willing and able to deal with any problems that show up on the various forums within this site. In addition, this site houses the largest, most comprehensive library of Colt, Case and Ingersoll documents to be found anywhere on the internet.

Maybe we've done too good of a job in putting this site together. Maybe we've made it too easy for owners to just come here, go to our FAQ's and Tech Section and resolve their problems and questions without having to post a thread on one of the forums. I don't really know the answer. All I do know is that the three of us have put in many hundreds of hours to make this site what it is, over the past two and half months. I can also tell you that members do get information here that is often far more accurate than what they get on other sites.

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you for starting this thread. And now....if you have a solution to the situation that you find objectionable, please state it fully in your responding post.
 

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I like the way this site works. It is a little like a personal tractor radar. The postings may be a little stale dated when I read them, but I read them all. The net effect being a continuing education in a personal interest. Mastifflawyer, Hydriv and Snotrocket make it work.
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I actually do like to see the Post the Add and Bash the price ones. Dont have to look too hard at the more local C/L adds and such to determine what kind of a deal they are. Not much more to post about this time of year anyway.

And yes for the most part these are only garden tractors and with all the technical info on this site my posts are pretty much limited to the things I cant find answer on elsewhere or figure out myself. Have had excellent help thus far on them too.

Now, once I get this tractor up and going really good and the weather turns and grass starts to grow I'm sure I'll be posting frantically for advice and guidance.
 

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I don't know what to say really. If you're going back 10 pages you're going back almost a month. Of course the majority of CL ads should have expired.

If you have a specific problem and are looking for an answer that might be in a thread somewhere you should try the search function.



What information are you looking for? Do you need an answer for a specific question?
 

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cl_leg said:
most of the postings should be deleted as the ads are obsolete.

Chris
I disagree. As someone who is new to the brand, I think the posts with Hydrivs commentary is excellent reference material. The whole reason I started posting the photos was to keep the threads relevant and helpful long after the ad was gone.

As far as a lack of other types of "help" threads, I think there are a few reasons....

First, the large and growing FAQ and Tech area. Lot's of great right ups for a new guy like me to read, CCI 101 if you will. Saved me from starting quite a few threads. I don't need to ask "what oil do I use?" or "what deck do I need?"

Second, I think a lot of the guys here are seasoned owners and know their way around these things pretty well.

Third, one thing I really like about this CCI group is that a little "self help" is expected, which quite a few forums do not encourage.

The forum is young, just 500 some odd members.....................
 

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For the sake of this discussion, the following statistics are available to anyone that wishes to click on the Members List at the top of the main forum board.

On March the first, Rockdog joined this forum as member 479. Today, we have a new member called Fritz and he is 540. This means that the site has gained 61 new members this month. However, only 18 of the 61 have posted anything at all on any forum or bulletin board. That means 70 percent of the membership has contributed no fresh material to the site.

Of the 18 members who did contribute, a total of 165 posts were created. Rockdog posted 55 of those thus leaving 110 to be divided among the remaining 17 members and that works out to an average of about 6.5 posts per member.

We, in ADMIN, know that every site have members who only come to lurk. MTF has 56,600 members. Right this second, there are 22 registered members and 65 guests logged onto their Case forum and yet...that board is often slower than this one when it comes to daily posts even though they have 105 times our membership. Look at Terry's Yahoo group, which is the oldest group in existence and claims to have 5704 members as of today. Last March, that group had 1932 posts for the month. Right now, they have 493 posts for March.

TractorbyNet's Case/Ingersoll forum is a ghost town and so is the one on GT Talk and Case-Ingersoll-Tractors.


Mastiff spends many hours of his day, looking at e-Bay and C/L ads to try and find items of interest for this site. Some of what he brings here are super deals and some are so absurdly priced that they deserve to be ridiculed. Sorry about that. He also brings some of the truly bizarre items to light. The point is.... he's trying his best to put something on the site that can be discussed and learned from during this slow period that every group appears to be experiencing.

Bottom line....

If you don't like the current crop of threads, then start posting stuff about your tractors. That's what the site is here for. Coming here, joining up and then never posting anything or posting about anything... means that you are not contributing. If no one posts, then there is nothing to read. If there is nothing to read, then the forum is pointless. If the forum is pointless, then we will just shut it down permanently and spend our time doing something else.
 

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Personally, I like seeing the tractors posted on the site. I appreciate that Jack takes the time to do this for the group. And other members that also post GTs for sale. And the evaluation and technical information information that is posted by Tom and other members in connection with these GTs for sale. And BBY's thoughtful posting of the pics. IMO we all learn from these posts. We have a number of members who have not yet bought their first CCI GT, I think its is especially important to them. Guides them what to look for and also what they should pay. Many experienced members are also actively buying tractors. I know that some tractors have been purchased because of posts on this site. Some interesting topics just pop up as a result of these posts too. Example, we now know that Honda's were put in some of the loaders! Lastly, the search engines don't always work as desired. How many times have we surprised a member with a tractor in his back yard that he didn't know about. I will admit that I guilty of posting something outrageously priced for sale to fire Tom up once in while. But we do want to have a little fun around here too, and that we do.
:222: :446: Best Regards, Rich
 

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I like seeing the tractors posted on the site. I appreciate that Jack takes the time to do this for the group.
Jack is like a drug dealer constantly dangling deals in front of the addicted--I hate him for it! But...... I am enjoying the 220 I picked up last month from one of his posts. :sidelaugh:
 

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I like the craiglistings and ebay info that is posted. It gives me an idea of what things are selling for and what people are currently asking for them. As for Toms comments... well I find them informative and helpful in the sense that he states things to look for in the ads that helps in the decisions of wether to pursue the listing or not. Ive gotten some real deals from what I've learned on here. One thing is never be scared to ask for a lower price if you feel its to high or even if you don't feel that way. :lol:
My thoughts.;
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Woopie!!! Finally a little controversy. Thanks Chris for the post. And I am not trying to be funny. We have been at this for three months. We have grown beyond all of our expectations. We have had many, and I mean many conversations about the content and direction of the site. There are some things coming that you will not believe. Please understand that we want this to be the best site out there. We have agreed to do whatever it takes to make it so. You really have no idea how much we and some much valued friends have worked to achieve our goal.

That being said, there is always room for improvement. Many things have changed here that resulted from suggestions from Members just like yourself. Most suggestions have been by email and PM, and therefore most Members are not even aware of them. I am hoping that your post encourages Members to make suggestions and comments.

In regards to the posting of C/L ads I will tell you that we have had serious discussions about it. Understand that long before we ever discussed having a site, I used to send ads to Tom for comment. These weren't just CCI ads these were everything ads. Every oddball tractor or accessory I found I sent to him. We have discussed everything from Case Steam tractors to artwork. I am sure he was quite sick of my emails. What I found was that through all of that I learned an unbelievable amount about our CCI tractors. It was because of Tom that I became a Colt collector. I sent him the ebay ad for a Colt Super H that one of our Members, Herm aka Spirit of T90 had listed. We discussed the tractor and Tom suggested that I speak to Steve Guider and as a result I bought that tractor. A few Colt and early Case tractors have since found a home with me, and I have Tom and Steve to thank for educating me on value and what to look for.

I figure if it helped me as much as it has, it can help everyone on the site. Also understand that I do not post every tractor that I find. I post the ones that I think are good deals or will cause some decent discussion. As some of the Members have commented, they have bought a tractor because of the postings.

One of the most important lessons to be learned from the postings is that Members should not attempt to make money off of restorations. That just doesn't happen, yet anyway.

So Chris please suggest away. PM me if you like. I would really welcome your suggestions.
 

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Ditto to what nutCASE said, couldn't have said it any better. I too get a good education from the sale ad posts and the critique. As far as Tom's "bashing", I think it's pretty refreshing that somebody has the gonads to say what they think without worrying about "hurting someone's feelings" and being PC. I have gathered a great deal of knowledge about CCI tractors on this site and a lot of it I have learned from Tom's "bashing". As far as posts slowing down from myself, you guys have already answered all my "dumb questions" on the part of the project I'm working on. Get ready for a bunch more once I get to the next step. :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh: :sidelaugh: I am also a member of the Yahoo group and two other forums, one strictly Case and recently another dealing with GTs in general. Certainly not knocking the others, but this is by far the most active.
 

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Wow that is quite the reponse.
I must explain myself.
First off you must know that I have had probably 20 of these machines, from a 2510 to a 646B, and think they are the best of the brands overall.
Matiffs posts are great, they let every know whats out there. But..
Values should not be posted. This is only one persons opinion coming from a different point of view then buyer, seller, opionist. (new word I think)
If a guy wants to take his 220 and convert it to a train that is great. Not Something You Shouldnt Do. These machines are great they will do anything. I have seem them converted to many brands Toro`s, JD`s etc with there versatility.
A box store tractor at $3000 and last 10 years has nothing on a $1500 Case. That Case has lasted 30-40 years and probably 30-40 more.
Don`t be shy on paying too much for these machines they are still very cheap and are well supported by the public even if the company has forgotten them.
I think veryone should have one, buy them up, replace that costly Onan with what ever, paint them with Zebra stripes. It is a testiment on how great these actually are.

1. a Classified section..
2. actual cost section, what was paid and what i got with pics kind of thing. can be used as reference. It would show what it is actually worth to someone. I paid $6100 for my `80 646B, it is in great shape here are some pics. I paid $450 for a `78 224 with sleeve, pto, 41 tiller, J-46 deck but the motor smoked bad and over revved, here are some pic`s. etc..
3. Revision History, this is done with software. Start at the beginning and list the changes as the yers and models change. Like the 195 question `67 or `68. Has any notices any differences. I don`t mean it has hydraulic brakes it is a `67. I have never seen one. If you have take a picture as I don`t believe it. More like the foot rests there are tow differnt ones some have the top corner of the checker plate cut off and some don`t. The dash it self. Some bolt on from the outside and some bolt on from the inside. With the dash there is also the travel control detent. The later models have a plastic inster that bolts up threw. The earlier model uses the steel that was punched out and bent down. Again some pictures. Hey I can give some that is for sure.
When did the hood support disapper. What year has the deck height on the dash, this is rare. etc... pics, pics pics, and oh yeh serial numbers.

Chris :)
 

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I have always thought they ought to start a new section for the ad reviews, and call it "Your Trip Planner" or "How fast can you get in trouble with your wife".

While the value may be subjective or somewhat regionalized it still gives one a starting point to understand what they are dealing with both as a seller and a buyer. Yeah as a seller you always want the most you can get and as a buyer to pay as little as possible, but these discussions at least give you a chance to go in as an educated person.
 

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Here is my two cents: (For what it is worth.) What is it worth? I should post it in a CL ad and we would see...

I like this site.
I like the CL/ Ebay postings.
I search for them myself but sometimes miss a few.
Even if they are not in my area, they are interesting and educational. The same goes for the "bashing", which to me is not bashing but rather informed commentary. Many of us joined this site for such commentary.
The pricing info is great. It is not really relevent for many of us in areas where the tractors are few and far between, but again, it is helpful info.
My guess is "Chris" has had an item for sale and he does not like the critique or estimation of value on said item.

Chris. I'm glad you have joined this forum and spoke out. It caused me to make a reply.

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These posts have made me realize there is a pattern emerging...the tractor values are coming down while the used parts are bringing more money than ever before. This is bad news for someone like me who has never parted one out but would like to see them ALL saved. It's disheartening to know that my next two planned restos will cost more for parts than I could have bought a nice one for, but that's OK. The nice survivors out there will always find a good home, but some of these junkyard dogs I pick up would never have a future in the hands of most people. Besides, actual value is irrelevant when you're planning to be a tractor's last owner....but it makes for interesting reading and discussion which I look forward to when I log in.
 

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to those in charge:
You can please some of the people some of the time,
You can't please everyone

to those with complaints:
If you don't like something about the forum, don't read that part. no one has a gun to your head.
If you feel the forum is missing something, start the thread, don't just bitch about it.
 

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I like it just the way it is.... Old info is good info for reference...
And if you are new to the site.... Please stick around for a bit then judge it...
We are all civil people, I think... Mostly in our right minds. (some of us fell on our heads)

I have nothing but respect for the people, the moderators and good folks on here...

IMHO...

Greg
 
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