This pisses me off.

Calm down Fräulein Hilda. I certainly see your point. How many of those, at that price do they think they will sell?

mtbiker60 said:

Calm down Fräulein Hilda. I certainly see your point. How many of those, at that price do they think they will sell?

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Even one sale is one sale too many.

All of those manuals are right here on this site for FREE to any member. You don't have to pay $160.00 to this site to access them.

Service manuals are nothing more than 3-ring binders with TABS so that individual bulletins can be placed behind those tabs. Our TECH Library uses the same TAB system and has more individual bulletins in it than JenSales provides. I don't object to them reprinting the manuals and offering them for sale. What I do object to is the outrageous prices being charged for their simple, low cost service. Apparently, they have scanned all of these bulletins and are making up the individual Service Manuals only when an order comes in.

"Violators" of copyright infringement might be a nice way of saying it. :chopwood:
I personally like the word, "hacks" :sidelaugh:

Some of the information provided for free on this site can be difficult to obtain in its original printing. How long will it be before you see them selling manuals with the CCI watermark on them? :thumbdown:

JSB Case said:

Some of the information provided for free on this site can be difficult to obtain in its original printing. How long will it be before you see them selling manuals with the CCI watermark on them? :thumbdown:

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Yup, I damn near guarantee that is going to happen.

JSB Case said:

Some of the information provided for free on this site can be difficult to obtain in its original printing. How long will it be before you see them selling manuals with the CCI watermark on them? :thumbdown:

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Why do you think we watermark them? :mrgreen: It's the same reason we make everyone register before they can view the forums. Some times you have to take steps to try and protect your work.

We've taken a lot of flack for watermarking the manuals we have, but we all know that if we didn't someone would rip off the extreme amount of time that has been taken to make them available.

OK , one of us can ask the seller what the PIN range is on each manual. Or better yet, ask what years it covers. Then after they give give an erroneous answer, Another can point out where they went wrong in question form. Then another can post the manuals are free online, (without that seller's name on it)

Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we practice to deceive.

Billygoat said:

OK , one of us can ask the seller what the PIN range is on each manual. Or better yet, ask what years it covers. Then after they give give an erroneous answer, Another can point out where they went wrong in question form. Then another can post the manuals are free online, (without that seller's name on it)

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I'm actually a little surprised that "someone" has not already contacted the seller....or maybe "someone" has.

BushBoneYard said:

I'm actually a little surprised that "someone" has not already contacted the seller....or maybe "someone" has.

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Perhaps someone did.......

just not "this" someone. :lol:

Sadly, these folks aren't the only ones on Ebay who are selling over-priced reproductions of Case/Ingersoll manuals. I won't name the seller, but I purchased an owner's manual from an Ebay seller that was nothing more than a poor photocopied version of the original and the guy charged me almost three times as much as Brian. Needless to say, I returned the item to the Ebay seller and learned my lesson about where to purchase manuals. Thanks to this site, I haven't had to purchase many though! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I got into a very heated nasty argument with one of those sellers about 6 months ago regarding his way overpriced opening bid on his photocopied manuals. I even told him that they were all available online for FREE and that no one in their right state of mind would ever buy them from him. In a nutshell, his response back was go F yourself, you are stupid and I have sold plenty of them. Blah Blah Blah.


I just hope people are smart and search online a little before they fork over that kind of money for a copied manual.

I was trying to get Allman Brothers Tickets on line at the Beacon Theater in NYC the other night. Ticket master is a pain in the butt so I started looking around. There was a site on line that had tickets $5000-$7000 for front row. :crazy: Completely off the wall. But if they get one tourist or a drunk on line that buys one or two tickets they have a home run.
Bad people out there.
:222: :446: Best Regards, Rich

I was gonna ask a question or two, but I know I can get carried away. I just thought better of it. Better off not getting involved. Anybody looking for Case manuals can find them relatively easy on the internet, so maybe he won't sell any.

Two words, > "Caveat emptor". Legal talk for Let the buyer beware :gums: