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Great, I buy a beat up 446 and now they start jumping out of the woodwork around here!

http://columbiamo.craigslist.org/grd/2250685670.html

No price listed so I called him, he's about 45 minutes away from me. I wasn't interested as much in price or buying but rather if he did the re-power with a Kohler 14hp himself since I might do something similer with my 446 since CP7 has an extra Kohler he wants to sell me.

The 446 with the Onan he states may need "rewiring", I have no idea what that means but I take it it's not running, the 446 with the Kohler runs great and he used it last summer to cut grass and this winter which I presume to means to push snow.

He is asking $2,500 and prefers to sell everything as a package but will consider offers on each depending on the extras such as tire weights, chains, deck, etc. he is moving and he doesn't have room for them.

I have 2 446 tractors for sale one has a 16 horse onan that I have not had running but with the weather I have not had much of a chance to mess with it. it also has a 3pt hitch installed on it. The other one has a 14 horse kohler with a sleeve hitch, two sets of steel wheel weights,and a set of tire chains I made out of truck chains. I also have a H54 Blade, a J46 Deck, an extra mule drive, an original case seat pan I took off the tractor that has the kohler. If you have any questions I can be reached at 636-699-8405 Chris


 

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I'd like to know what he's smoking.


He must be high on something fantastic for him to believe that pile of scrap metal is worth anything remotely close to his asking price. What he has there is two parts tractors that are worth $300.00 each, at best. He's butchered a 446 by installing a Kohler in it. Nothing runs and everything needs work. The belt shields are not even on the deck so that gives you an idea what kind of a "mechanic" he is.

Yes, folks... the 3 pt is worth $400.00 and the sleeve hitch is worth $150.00 IF you put them on e-bay and then pay all the fees to sell them.

His homemade chains might be worth $20.00. The sets of wheel weights might bring $150.00 on e-bay and the blade might fetch another $200.00.

In other words, a generous offer would be $1500.00 for what's there and then take it home in the hopes that the Onan doesn't need a full rebuild. There's an opportunity there for someone to build a fully restored 446 out of the two tractors and then sell off the parts you don't use. You still need a rear PTO or that 3 point is sort of limited and you need an F-27 sleeve hitch adaptor unless you get lucky with finding used CAT 0 implements.
 

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Yeah, but if he truly is moving you give him your name and number and offer him something that is a better financial alternative to hauling them and tell him thats all you have. When the time comes and theyre still sitting there the offer will look pretty good. You never know.

My Dad made a ridiculousy low ball offer on a jeep once and the guy got pissed at him. Just then his wife came outside crying because she just found out her father died. The guy then said he'd take the offer cause now he needs to buy a couple of plane tickets to California. You never know.
 

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No offense to the seller but after talking to him I did be the impression that he was not mechanicly inclined as if I had one with electrical problems, I would have sorted that out before I tried to sell it. He didn't put the Kohler in the 446 rather it was in there when he bought it.

Wondered about the 3 point and the sleeve hitch too when he had nothing to hook up them, they don't have any value other than extra weight unless there is something you use them with! I would have offered him something for the sleeve hitch if there was a plow of something to go with it.

I got the impression that he would take less, how much less I didn't get clear idea as I asked him what he would sell the one with the Onan for and states it depends on what went with it but wouldn't give me a price.

He sounded like a reasonable man and not one that believed his knowledge of Case GT's was the end all nor was he arrogant. If I had a couple 446's for sale, I would try to sell them at first for way too much and then work downwards from there.

Hmm better yet, I should call him back and offer him my assitance with moving since he's moving to the same town as me. My fee? One of his tractors.
 

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I noticed this AM that he is a member of the Yahoo forum and has posted that he has the package for sale but did not mention price.

He's entitled to ask whatever he wants to for what he has. However, I'm sure that there are many members of this forum that do not have any idea as to how they would go about placing a value on such a package. That is the purpose behind discussing such listings. I call them as I see them. Everyone is free to agree or disagree with me.

Location, location, location is a huge factor in determining value and I can only speak for what I see happening with e-Bay sales for similar items. Shipping must be considered when buying. Is it cheaper to pay more locally? Quite often, that holds true. Sometimes, you can't get what you want locally so you have to find the best deals going to offset the costs of getting that item home.

Most Sellers will do their own homework in advance so that they don't price themselves out of the market. Too high a price just puts potential Buyers off. They try to find the justification in the ad for the price asked and when they can't, then they don't even bother calling. What's the point? Such calls often end up in an argument but Rockdog made a solid point.

Stay calm, view what's on offer. Make him an offer with the bills clenched in your sweaty fist. If he says no, stay calm..... give him your name and phone number and say..."Call me if you change your mind."

If he fails to sell, then the crunch will come just before moving day.
 

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I wondering what's up with my wife, she is starting to worry me.

When I mentioned that there was "this guy" just south of us that had TWO 446's for sale she didn't give me a disgusted look but asked, "Were would you put them?".

Normally I get, "What do YOU need those for?", I say it's progress when it's not a issue IF I need them but rather were to put them once bought.
 

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I'm scared to, my wallet seems to get drained everytime I head out of town with the trailer, the only thing I might be interested in is the wheel weights and the sleeve hitch. It's a shame there isn't an tiller or hydro PTO involved, I would already be making plans to visit him.
 
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