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Well, Case 224 and 446.

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About 4” of snow so after all the work on both tractors and snocasters, Both throwing the snocaster belt. 446 won’t stay in float and the drive lever won’t stay in position.
So on to the John Deere after dinner and see how long it works.
Update later, maybe.

Noel
 
#3 ·
Yes, as a66coup289 said, make sure you're using the correct size belts.

Also check the belt routing, paying particular attention to how the belts come onto the pulleys. Sometimes you can encounter a situation where an idler pulley mount is bent or out of position due to a worn bushing in the tension arm pivot and it causes the belt to want to ride up onto (and out over) the edge of the pulley (particularly with the backside idlers).

As for the 446 not staying in float, on the back end of the TCV (travel control valve) there should be an end cap with a couple of spring loaded detent balls (under small screw caps) that hold the lift spool in the float position. You'll have to do some disassembly to check for worn or missing parts (preferably working somewhere that the small parts won't disappear into the snow, dirt, or a crack in the floor if you accidentally drop any).

The 446 drive lever not wanting to stay in position is likely due to a worn neutral safety switch assembly. Most of them (until the later years) have a series of small notches in the plastic body of the assembly that make contact with a metal pin that's welded to the travel control lever up under the dash. When they're in good condition, those notches help hold the travel lever in the position you select. But they wear down with use and eventually get to the point where they no longer hold.
 
#4 ·
Thank you very much Ray
for your information. Spring tension for the idler pulley, is their a set tension. And how does one figure that out.
These tractors are by no means original. So many things have changed by some one over the years.
The 224 throws the belt more when thrower is lifted. And the 446 while your throwing snow.

Noel
 
#5 ·
You're welcome Noel!

I don't think I've seen any tension specifications listed in the manuals. But I believe most all of the snowcasters (at least ones that fit your 224 & 446) use a part # C16870 spring. I just happened to have one in my stash of spare parts and it measures approximately:

  • 4-1/2" long overall
  • 1" diameter, 2-1/8" long coiled section
  • 1/8" (0.125") diameter wire
  • And the upper hook is oriented about 180 degrees off compared to a standard spring to allow it to easily hook over the top edge of the mounting frame without twisting.

If the springs on your snowcasters are considerably different (or are stretched out when not under tension), they might not be applying the correct amount of tension to the belt.
 
#7 ·
Definitely a issue with those springs. Here's a picture of the correct spring.

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Cheers,
Gordy
 
#9 ·
Well not something I could buy here where I live. So I made two springs. Ray gave me the dimensions of the correct spring. So, these are close. But who knows if correct.

Noel
 

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#10 · (Edited)
Beyond dimensions one needs to be concerned about the spring rate (measured in lb/inch or kg/cm). I don't know if anyone here has measured the force needed to elongate the spring a given distance to determine the rate, I have not. Dimensions may get you close, but different steel alloys and different amounts of temper could impact the spring rate. Also, the number of turns in the coil makes a difference. For a given material and wire thickness, increasing the number of turns reduces the spring rate (makes it easier to stretch). Looks like 17 coils below.

I can tell you that it takes a pretty good effort to attach the spring whether or not the belt is installed. I usually grab it with Vise Grips or use a large screw driver to lever it on/off. If it goes on with little effort, the spring is not stiff enough.

Borrowed from Salem Equip:

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#15 ·
Next question is on belts. What size. Length and width for the 446 and 224. ?
446 belt, that’s on there now looks like 1/2” wide and I believe to be 81” long.
224 belt, that’s on there now looks like 5/8” wide and 77” long.
Thanks for your help.
First picture 446 belt. Next picture 224 belt.

Noel
 

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#17 ·
Next question is on belts. What size. Length and width for the 446 and 224. ?
446 belt, that’s on there now looks like 1/2” wide and I believe to be 81” long.
224 belt, that’s on there now looks like 5/8” wide and 77” long.
Thanks for your help.
First picture 446 belt. Next picture 224 belt.

Noel
OEM belts are 9/16" wide. I have tried the others, 1/2" sat to low in the pulleys and 5/8" sat to high actually beyond the edge of the pulley. Runtime has been as low as a couple hours, warped, twisted, break or jumping off.

A member of another group just posted this for a newbie from north of the border, when ordering from the US dealers.
"Just make sure they ship using USPS to avoid the large brokerage charges of commercial carriers."

Cheers
Gordy
 
#28 · (Edited)
So. I bought a Kevlar blue 1/2”X 81” belt. Put it on. Had to use one of my old longer springs, because the one I made to case spec would not fit. Old belt is 82 1/4 “ long and is about an 1/8” or more deeper, top of belt through to bottom, than the new one. Any way, had a little snow yesterday, so I tried it and the belt stayed on. Was out with the thrower running for about 15 minutes. In snow, not in snow and thrower up and down a bunch of times. So it maybe fixed.

Noel
 

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#30 ·
I honestly wish you good luck.

But it has been my experience those Kevlar wrapped belts do not like all of the twists and turns we put them through. I did not give up on them with just one, I blew 5 of them, the longest one lasted maybe 10 hours.

Cheers,
Gordy
 
#31 ·
Ok. New belt on Case 224. And the belt stays on, so far. Was out for about 15 minutes. Did the same routine as I did with the Case 446. But today’s snow was wet. Was 2C, so above freezing. Snow was sticking in chute. So I’ll have to clear coat the auger and chute. That type of snow very hard to throw, was pushing the snow instead of drawing it in. So the new belt is 1/2” X 75”. The old belt is 5/8 X 77”. And like the 446 belt, the thickness from top to bottom of the new/old belt was about 1/8” or more in difference, with the new one less thick.
Still need to cut up tire tubes, to tension the chains yet. Chains seem to work fine.

Noel
 

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