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I'm going to go look at a Case tiller this week that is a tractor graveyard, its been laying around in the weeds for years, the only thing I know is that it's a tiller that fits on a Case GT as the person who told me about it, found it when he was looking for a tiller for his larger mid sized tractor and was told it wouldn't work with his since this Case tiller ran off hydraulics rather than shaft PTO.

What things should I ignore and what should I pay attention to?

I know nothing about such but assume I looking for worn parts?, but beyond that I'm totally lost and I know nothing.

What would such a be worth assuming one as described in a worse case condition situation? The people that run this graveyard aren't total idiots and my first thought is that if it been there all these years, they either want too much for it or there is something major wrong with it.
 

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There's not a lot to go wrong so the biggest repair/restore cost is generally the tines. The motor could be bad but not likely. If you can pick it up for $100 or less you would be risking little but, if you could determine for sure that the motor is good, it could be worth up to about $300.
 

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What's a good price for two non-running 224's, no hoods but have the Hydro PTO, sleeve hitch and tillers? been sitting outside for at a number of years, one of the Kohler engines is all chromed out too!

Serial numbers from them are: 9765238 9752273

Someone told about a place that had a tiller so i checked it out, a place right on a highway, problem is that no one was around and the phone number on the building was disconnected so at least have time to do a little homework so I know what's realistic and what is not.











Also found this and a hood to Case 117

 

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Well I have to tell you that I'd love to stumble across that pile of junk. I would approach the owner on the basis of buying up his scrap metal to clean up his field. I would agree to haul it ALL out of there and offer him $200.00 cash.

Now.. let's suppose that he takes it. Look at what you will end up with.


2 - tillers that are easily worth $250.00 EACH and possibly more

2 - PTO valves that are easily worth $150.00 EACH and possibly more

2 - Sleeve hitches - $125.00 EACH and possibly more

2 - K321 Kohler engines that are worth $100.00 EACH just as a complete rebuildable engine

1 - Case 180 GT that is missing the engine and some other parts but who knows what's laying in the tall grass? That is worth $200.00 as it sits.... easily.

The hood for the 117 has value if it is in good shape.

I see one mower deck there. The 224's can be parted out for the pumps, coolers, valves, tires, trans-axles, front axles, fenders etc.


In other words, with some time and work, you could turn $200.00 into $2000.00. Your choice....
 

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That chrome engine doesn`t look like a Kohler (?)
That's what I thought too after looking at the picture I took. I didn't want to move anything or disturb it but could that be an Onan? I did note that both the tractors had standard PTO clutchs on the front of the engines. I took pictures of the ID plates so I know at least the frames are 224's.

Will the hydro PTO hard lines that connect to PTO valve work on a '74 446 and won't the sleeve hitch from a 224 be too short for a 446? (All I want is one running tiller) I might consider restoring one of these but that would take a lot of work esp not knowing the engine condition.
 

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Perhaps a Briggs engine? postion of the bolts on the shroud look familier.

So how did they hookup the clutch to the flywheel?

While I admit I have never actually "seen" a Briggs or Kohler opposed twin, the hole in the blower housing that feeds the air filter snorkel looks like an ONAN to me. Granted my B-43 does not have any bolts in those locations, it`s more of a slip fit affair. Don`t have the Performer version nearby to check the later iteration.
 

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Brigg twin's have the same breather hole in about the same location, I have only seen 2 Onan's but at least on my 16 BF-MS engine there is only one bolt for the main flywheel shroud in the top center.

That chrome is baffling.

The intake for the Briggs is similer perhaps but the gas line doesn't appear to be in the right place unless there is a aftermarket fuel pump on it.
 

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Well I'm in shock now, just got into contact with the owner.

I was told none of the Case parts or tiller are for sale.

This was something I didn't expect to hear since this is a business selling used farm implements and tractor parts. I guess leaving them outside to age a little more is their plan? :cry:

I'm so depressed now to know that there are at least 2 Case tillers decaying in a field unused and that's were they are going to remain while I continue to look for one.
 

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I think that posting pics, and having "tillers alone are worth XXX" in a post on a public site can hurt you if you think you found a secret forgotten cache.

Never know if the googlebots brought him right to your salivating post, and now he's dead set on $1k minimum.
(look man...Googlebots watching this post right now man...... :shock: .)

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old abe said:
I think that posting pics, and having "tillers alone are worth XXX" in a post on a public site can hurt you if you think you found a secret forgotten cache.

Never know if the googlebots brought him right to your salivating post, and now he's dead set on $1k minimum.
(look man...Googlebots watching this post right now man...... :shock: .)

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I don't think that is the "Case", there appears to be either be a personal connection or some other plans involved with these that don't involve $$'s.

The business was owned by a elderly man who's son "runs" the business. I first was able to get in contact over the phone with the elderly man and he said "Oh the Case's? They aren't for sale" so I thanked him for taking my call and that was that (By his voice alone, this man sounded very old).

Now, knowing that his son was running the business from some local people, I found out how to get in touch with him and met him in person this afternoon. His story was same right off the bat as that of his father's, that none of it was for sale. I asked him if I offered a dollar amount if such would be different and he very quickly told me that no amount of money could buy any of it. Not very talkative, I would think that someone so attached to their Case stuff would be more willing to gab about it (I know I do!).

I'm pretty sure this is one of those situations that the value of something doesn't involve money and while I can't stand the idea of this stuff just sitting out in the weather unprotected, it's good to know that there are still people that money doesn't rule their life.

Hey, I get upset watching Pawn Stars on the Discovery channel were some young kid brings in something that has been in their family for 150 years and sells it just to get some cash. While my late grandfather would laugh, I have a few things of his that are not valuable in terms of money but it would be a cold day in you know were, before I sold them.

I have an old 60's Lawnboy push mower that my grandfather owned that needs a complete engine rebuilt and even after 15 years since I got it, It's still sitting in my shop waiting for me to get around to fixing it but it isn't going anywere.
 

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old abe said:
I think that posting pics, and having "tillers alone are worth XXX" in a post on a public site can hurt you if you think you found a secret forgotten cache.

Never know if the googlebots brought him right to your salivating post, and now he's dead set on $1k minimum.
(look man...Googlebots watching this post right now man...... :shock: .)

:thumbsup: :trink:
The google bots and other automated search indexers don't work in that way exactly. It would also take a number of days if not weeks for it to show up in a relevant google search.

I can keep track of googles current list of "key words" and searches that were done where this site was returned as a relevant result.

If you're afraid of posting something up that a random CL seller is going to find a discussion about it's not going to happen.

Now if they were a member here that's another story. :thumbsup:
 

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Sorry but none of this makes any sense to me.

If there was some sort of personal attachment to these items, then why are they in such disrepair? Why have parts been removed from them? Why have they not been moved to a more protected area on the property?

I bet that all of that stuff will sit exactly where it is right now for years and years. They will never do anything with it.
 

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Sorry but none of this makes any sense to me.

If there was some sort of personal attachment to these items, then why are they in such disrepair? Why have parts been removed from them? Why have they not been moved to a more protected area on the property?

I bet that all of that stuff will sit exactly where it is right now for years and years. They will never do anything with it.
Yes, that's was one of my thoughts too. Very strange situation and I'm giving them the benefit of doubt that whatever the intentions they have, they are positive.

In having a ad on my local CL for wanting to buy such was the only reason I found out about this place. A man called me asking if I was interested in buying his 444 and when I explained was I wanting to buy a tiller, he told me that many years ago he saw these 2 tillers there and thought they would still be there (perhaps he knew something I didn't?). They been there for at least 8 years and will remain I suppose but I'm not going to give up on them if I can't find a tiller but we will just have to see.

Never encountered such a situation were something in such a disrepair and neglected state didn't wasn't available for purchase. Another thing that bothered me is that while I consider myself honest, these items were sitting in a place that is remote and isolated that anyone could simply drive up and take them with the owners knowing it. When I was there, I walked around the buildings trying to find someone, all I took was pictures but a dishonest person could just as easily taken anything they wanted.
 

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Eboy/Snot,

Yeah probably right. Case in point with me (and my paranoia :think: ) I picked up a brinly moldboard for $50, and it had a hitch still stuck on it. Turned out to be a Cub brinly adapter. I posted in the Cub forum about its value. Another member was kind enough to direct me to a repro that was $5 cheaper than the last two ebay sales prices for the same hitch. I let that post accumulate 90 total views before asking a mod to delete it two days into my auction. (stupid! :facepalm: ) Anyway, I see a member (who asked me a question about my listing) just posted that he picked up one of the reporo's and was very happy with it, started a whole thread.

Point of the story is, my "question" in another brand's section in another forum ended up costing me an interested bidder. Still did ok, but I dont want to think where the auction would have ended had I not had a mod take down the directions to a competitor.

Gotta go, I think they're listening.......... :crazy:

So sad about the rusting little guys with no hoods.... :sad:
 

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There a lot equipment out there that can't not be sold for legal reasons one mystery is someone payed for item and did not come pick item up. Some are re-pro's some tie up in court some no paper work on items. I've stubble around found many tractors and equipment like this and only answer in some that given not for sale. Asking why its not for sale usually come up with good answer that fits that piece equipment.
 
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