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my mower deck and deck hanging frame thing (not sure on the name) that iv got to get done by aug 27th for the local steam rally and we are on holiday next week and will be helping set up for the rally most of the week before so about 3 weeks aaaaah!

does anyone know if it should be white or off white because iv seen photos of them white but under the covers on mine its a off white like the wheels

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Traditionally, all of the implements were painted Power Red. Late in 1983, there was a switch to Power White implements that were intended to be sold with the Black Frame tractors of late 83, all through 1984. There is some speculation about a few of those Black Frame models being sold in 1985 with a serial number that falls into the 1985 range.

So..... here's my question to you. Is your tractor painted black on the frame and axles?

If the answer is no, then a Power White deck would be incorrect.

Just because your deck was originally white does not make it correct for a Power Red tractor. If a dealer was stuck with a white deck, then he would use any opportunity to get rid of it as long as the customer did not complain.


Aside from the deck itself, there is also the Mule bracket and deck harness. A Black Frame tractor would have a black Mule and harness. Only the deck shell would be white. If your harness was Power Red, then that too indicates that your deck should have been Power Red to go with a Power Red tractor .
 

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Hydriv said:
Traditionally, all of the implements were painted Power Red. Late in 1983, there was a switch to Power White implements that were intended to be sold with the Black Frame tractors of late 83, all through 1984. There is some speculation about a few of those Black Frame models being sold in 1985 with a serial number that falls into the 1985 range.

So..... here's my question to you. Is your tractor painted black on the frame and axles?

If the answer is no, then a Power White deck would be incorrect.

Just because your deck was originally white does not make it correct for a Power Red tractor. If a dealer was stuck with a white deck, then he would use any opportunity to get rid of it as long as the customer did not complain.

Aside from the deck itself, there is also the Mule bracket and deck harness. A Black Frame tractor would have a black Mule and harness. Only the deck shell would be white. If your harness was Power Red, then that too indicates that your deck should have been Power Red to go with a Power Red tractor .
The case its self is a power red 1980 444 and the mule and harness are black

This photo is from the early 1990s when is still looked nice in it's original paint

 

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This is a decision that is your call.

If you wish to be CORRECT, then the harness and deck get painted Power Red.

If you LIKE the Power White deck and semi-gloss black harness, then that would be a personal choice.

The problem that one runs into when showing a tractor that is not painted correctly is that someone will come along and tell you so. :sidelaugh:

Fortunately for you, I have no plans to revisit England in the near future. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Power White paint can be sourced through Case/IH or Case/New Holland dealers. I don't know if any of the old Case/David Browne dealers still exist but if one did, then that too would be a source for one of those smallish Yankee quarts. :thumbsup:
 

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Thanks for the info
I think I will keep it a strange mixture of colours because that is how I have always known it in my 10 or 11 years of driving it and I'm only 18!

Last year I had some what I think is power white mixed by getting paint to match the rear wheels but I'm not sure if it looks a bit too cream but will prob use it

And yer I don't think anyone at the show will ever of seen a case other than mine so I could paint it green and no one would know it's wrong!

Got my 3 point to paint too and try to fit the tea pieces cuz at the min the one hose on the lift cylinder is too short

Photo of my power White ish wheels

 

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Hijack and I apologise for my ignorance of English geography, but I see new member "tonystamp" hails from Surrey, where is that in relation to Shrewsbury? As you may be the only two case owners in the U.K. perhaps you should met up. Share a pint of hydraulic oil or two.
 

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99flhr said:
Hijack and I apologise for my ignorance of English geography, but I see new member "tonystamp" hails from Surrey, where is that in relation to Shrewsbury? As you may be the only two case owners in the U.K. perhaps you should met up. Share a pint of hydraulic oil or two.
Cool yay

Surry is down south near London prob 3 and a bit hours from shrews, shrews is near the top the welsh border

Thanks for info
 

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Another question

Does anyone have a photo of the underside of a rear discharge mower because mine needs some of the strips underneath re doing and I'm not sure if some gaps are ment to be gaps or they have just rusted away
 

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hi again another few questions

in the photos below the rear of the mower looks to have been modified or hit with somthing hard, does anyone no of any mods like this?





and i see a lot of photos of CASE tractors with white wheels but when i did my wheels last year when i took the tyres off the rims were cream not sure why or if they ever were
 

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I hate to tell you this but many of us have sent much better deck shells than the one you have, to the scrap metal yard.

If I had a deck like that one and the cost of obtaining a replacement from overseas was prohibitive, then I would use the old one as a template and construct another one out of new steel. The level of rust on that deck is high. I bet that if you had it sand-blasted, tiny pinholes would appear all over. My gut tells me that your deck is in such poor condition over-all that it's beyond salvaging. Trying to weld new metal to badly rusted metal is difficult and often makes for contaminated, weak welds.

If I were you, i'd show my tractor without the deck. That's what most people over here do. Then, I'd look around for some low-cost way to duplicate the deck shell. Perhaps a local school that teaches the "Trades" would be a good place. You would pay for the new material but the labour would be free. The Shop Teacher would make sure that the work was done correctly. The most important issue would be the welding. The deck must NOT be twisted. Assembly would require a dead flat steel table to clamp the shell to while small tack welds were applied. Constant checking with normal measuring instruments to make sure the deck is true before the final welding takes place is essential.
 

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Thanks for the info and ideas but the shell it's self I think is not too bad and should be thick enough to weld to so will prob just re make the foot and all the pieces inside, we should have looked after it better because until 3 years ago it was cutting a lot every week and lugging trailers of logs and cow muck at my nans old house so it was more of a thing we fixed if it broke e.g. We had the bolts shear in the diff and lost bottom gear then the bolts went round in the housing and cracked the back end but that's all welded up and fixed now.

Have you really sent deck like these to the scrap?!, would be nice to be over the other side the pond where parts are easily available. When the pto cluch went we had to make new bits for it

USA decks last longer than UK because the Westwood mower we used to have had it's deck rust though years ago and was held together with rope!
 

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Patch it up. :thumbsup:

There's years of service left in that deck.

It will be a good project, and when done will provide you with a mower.

Good Luck and keep us up to date on the repair :trink:
 

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If full of questions but was there ever a export model that had cream wheels and mower because when we took the tires off there was cream paint and under the covers on the mower it's also cream and not white like in the broshures
 

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stevebgr said:
Have you really sent deck like these to the scrap?!, would be nice to be over the other side the pond where parts are easily available. When the pto cluch went we had to make new bits for it

USA decks last longer than UK because the Westwood mower we used to have had it's deck rust though years ago and was held together with rope!
Small parts can be shipped to you for reasonable cost. Your Pound is still fairly strong against the US Dollar, so that helps. I have a photo showing a stack of half a dozen deck shells that I took to the scrap yard and sold. Shipping large heavy items such as a complete deck is expensive. The demand for used decks in my area is nearly non-existent. Those two facts played into my decision to strip those decks of all usable parts and then junk the shells. Every one of those shells were three times better than your shell. They could have been easily repaired and put back into service BUT... if there is no reasonable expectation of selling a repaired deck, then all they are doing is taking up valuable space.

Perhaps one of the reasons why decks do not fare well in England, has to do with your weather. Ideally, the grass should be dry when cut but we both know that can be problematic at certain times of the year. Wet, green grass clippings that are clinging to the underside of the deck will produce high heat and caustic chemicals that will quickly rust out unprotected steel if you do not remove them after mowing. Some owners have coated the underside of their deck with truck bed-liner material that can be bought in gallons and either brushed on or sprayed on. Perhaps it isn't a perfect solution but it is a solution none-the-less.
 

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If full of questions but was there ever a export model that had cream wheels and mower because when we took the tires off there was cream paint and under the covers on the mower it's also cream and not white like in the broshures
I have seen this discussion before on a different forum. There is no logical explanation for what you are seeing but some owners have reported that the paint inside the tire area of the rim was a creamy white as opposed to the "white/white" of the outside. Speculation was...... Case sourced rims from a different supplier and the creamy white was applied by them. Case just repainted the rim exterior to the correct Power White colour. It had nothing to do with being an "export model".
 

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Yes I think the weather has a lot to do with it because I have cut grass many times in the rain and not cleaned it off the mower.

Yes i think that was me on the yahoo case thing
That would explain the wheels but it doesn't explain the cream on the mower, I will polish the bit of paint still on it and upload a photo later
 
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